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Post by ZenMaster on Dec 21, 2020 16:15:05 GMT -5
Wait are you actually against folks going uphill? Not at all if you have an RFID or Day Pass. Follow the rules and protocols, no issue. There are a lot more going uphill these days, creating unsafe situations for themselves and those coming downhill. Are you going to ask me what my point is again? Same as yours, you noted 3 near collisions in an earlier post, is that not enough? Mach's issue on Lights Out. Mine on Roadrunner....whatever. I remember when people said the same thing about snowboarders as a rule...they scrape the snow, make too much noise, don’t follow the rules, etc etc. Ban them! How’d that work out, lol. Uphill is here to stay as well, everyone needs to adjust and remember the responsibility code, it’s a short list covers most situations that we are going to encounter out on the hill. Unfortunately there will always a segment that prefers to act like entitled assholes, usually they are the ones that say “what responsibility code” (or the occasional “fuck you”) no matter how gently I bring it up to them after they nearly wipe out me and my MASR student (who is typically adorned in a blaze orange bib that says “HANDICAP SKIER”) SEVEN POINTS TO YOUR RESPONSIBILITY CODE 1. Always stay in control, and be able to stop or avoid other people or objects. 2. People ahead of you have the right of way. It is your responsibility to avoid them. 3. You must not stop where you obstruct a trail, or are not visible from above. 4. Whenever starting downhill or merging into a trail, look uphill and yield to others. 5. Always use devices to help prevent runaway equipment. 6. Observe all posted signs and warnings. Keep off closed trails and out of closed areas. 7. Prior to using any lift, you must have the knowledge and ability to load, ride and unload safely. www.nsaa.org/NSAA/Safety/Responsibility_Code/NSAA/Safety/Responsibility_Code.aspx
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Post by promontoryrider on Dec 21, 2020 16:33:31 GMT -5
Not at all if you have an RFID or Day Pass. Follow the rules and protocols, no issue. There are a lot more going uphill these days, creating unsafe situations for themselves and those coming downhill. Are you going to ask me what my point is again? Same as yours, you noted 3 near collisions in an earlier post, is that not enough? Mach's issue on Lights Out. Mine on Roadrunner....whatever. I remember when people said the same thing about snowboarders as a rule...they scrape the snow, make too much noise, don’t follow the rules, etc etc. Ban them! How’d that work out, lol. Uphill is here to stay as well, everyone needs to adjust and remember the responsibility code, it’s a short list covers most situations that we are going to encounter out on the hill. Unfortunately there will always a segment that prefers to act like entitled assholes, usually they are the ones that say “what responsibility code” (or the occasional “fuck you”) no matter how gently I bring it up to them after they nearly wipe out me and my MASR student (who is typically adorned in a blaze orange bib that says “HANDICAP SKIER”) SEVEN POINTS TO YOUR RESPONSIBILITY CODE 1. Always stay in control, and be able to stop or avoid other people or objects. 2. People ahead of you have the right of way. It is your responsibility to avoid them. 3. You must not stop where you obstruct a trail, or are not visible from above. 4. Whenever starting downhill or merging into a trail, look uphill and yield to others. 5. Always use devices to help prevent runaway equipment. 6. Observe all posted signs and warnings. Keep off closed trails and out of closed areas. 7. Prior to using any lift, you must have the knowledge and ability to load, ride and unload safely. www.nsaa.org/NSAA/Safety/Responsibility_Code/NSAA/Safety/Responsibility_Code.aspxKey word....
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Dec 21, 2020 17:10:14 GMT -5
Wait are you actually against folks going uphill? Not at all if you have an RFID or Day Pass. Follow the rules and protocols, no issue. There are a lot more going uphill these days, creating unsafe situations for themselves and those coming downhill. Are you going to ask me what my point is again? Same as yours, you noted 3 near collisions in an earlier post, is that not enough? Mach's issue on Lights Out. Mine on Roadrunner....whatever. I might, you don't have to answer. You aren't making sense. I would like to know if you think the folks going uphill do not have passes? Also, there are 100s of near collisions and actual collisions between skiers every ski day, not sure its any different. I saw two people collide by the the Spruce lift on Sunday, older guy launched into woods...it was scary but he as OK...no uphillers were present. Did you happen to ski Grand Rapids on Saturday, that was dangerous for all....and there were no uphillers on that trails. I do think uphillers should be your target. If you are skiing in control and following rules and if they are...there should not be an issue. Same with skiers, boarders, snowbikes, etc.
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Post by promontoryrider on Dec 21, 2020 17:24:43 GMT -5
Not at all if you have an RFID or Day Pass. Follow the rules and protocols, no issue. There are a lot more going uphill these days, creating unsafe situations for themselves and those coming downhill. Are you going to ask me what my point is again? Same as yours, you noted 3 near collisions in an earlier post, is that not enough? Mach's issue on Lights Out. Mine on Roadrunner....whatever. I might, you don't have to answer. You aren't making sense. I would like to know if you think the folks going uphill do not have passes? Also, there are 100s of near collisions and actual collisions between skiers every ski day, not sure its any different. I saw two people collide by the the Spruce lift on Sunday, older guy launched into woods...it was scary but he as OK...no uphillers were present. Did you happen to ski Grand Rapids on Saturday, that was dangerous for all....and there were no uphillers on that trails. I do think uphillers should be your target. If you are skiing in control and following rules and if they are...there should not be an issue. Same with skiers, boarders, snowbikes, etc. Yes, I believe a % of people going uphill DO NOT have passes - is that clear enough for you? If you recall there as a lengthy debate about this on the old board, with many acknowledging they didn't have passes. And I am referring to people not following the rules. Same as you. Not following rules is posing the risk. I have no issue with anyone going uphill, paid and following the correct protocols.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Dec 21, 2020 17:30:24 GMT -5
I might, you don't have to answer. You aren't making sense. I would like to know if you think the folks going uphill do not have passes? Also, there are 100s of near collisions and actual collisions between skiers every ski day, not sure its any different. I saw two people collide by the the Spruce lift on Sunday, older guy launched into woods...it was scary but he as OK...no uphillers were present. Did you happen to ski Grand Rapids on Saturday, that was dangerous for all....and there were no uphillers on that trails. I do think uphillers should be your target. If you are skiing in control and following rules and if they are...there should not be an issue. Same with skiers, boarders, snowbikes, etc. Yes, I believe a % of people going uphill DO NOT have passes - is that clear enough for you? If you recall there as a lengthy debate about this on the old board, with many acknowledging they didn't have passes. And I am referring to people not following the rules. Same as you. Not following rules is posing the risk. I have no issue with anyone going uphill, paid and following the correct protocols. Great, now you are making sense....on the pass and people not having them, I totally disagree based upon my uphill travels. I see pretty much the same folks every day, follow folks on Strava who post...all are season pass holders. Of course I do not know or see everyone but based on sampling....I think it is a very low #. And patrol most certainly asks people they do not know for passes...I have seen this as well.
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Post by promontoryrider on Dec 21, 2020 17:48:19 GMT -5
Yes, I believe a % of people going uphill DO NOT have passes - is that clear enough for you? If you recall there as a lengthy debate about this on the old board, with many acknowledging they didn't have passes. And I am referring to people not following the rules. Same as you. Not following rules is posing the risk. I have no issue with anyone going uphill, paid and following the correct protocols. Great, now you are making sense....on the pass and people not having them, I totally disagree based upon my uphill travels. I see pretty much the same folks every day, follow folks on Strava who post...all are season pass holders. Of course I do not know or see everyone but based on sampling....I think it is a very low #. And patrol most certainly asks people they do not know for passes...I have seen this as well. Good to know patrol is checking tickets. Must suck carrying around an IPAD in their packs to scan the RFID's.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Dec 21, 2020 18:24:29 GMT -5
Great, now you are making sense....on the pass and people not having them, I totally disagree based upon my uphill travels. I see pretty much the same folks every day, follow folks on Strava who post...all are season pass holders. Of course I do not know or see everyone but based on sampling....I think it is a very low #. And patrol most certainly asks people they do not know for passes...I have seen this as well. Good to know patrol is checking tickets. Must suck carrying around an IPAD in their packs to scan the RFID's. To be clear, I have not seen them check this year. But I have been checked and have seen others checked in past. I would think this year, they will ask to see the RFD card if checking...carrying an iPad is prob not going to happen. You are spending a lot of time thinking about this, its really bothering you or are you just stirring the pot?
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Post by wheelie on Dec 21, 2020 18:26:08 GMT -5
Great, now you are making sense....on the pass and people not having them, I totally disagree based upon my uphill travels. I see pretty much the same folks every day, follow folks on Strava who post...all are season pass holders. Of course I do not know or see everyone but based on sampling....I think it is a very low #. And patrol most certainly asks people they do not know for passes...I have seen this as well. Good to know patrol is checking tickets. Must suck carrying around an IPAD in their packs to scan the RFID's. Are you a Boyne stock holder? Why are you so worried about theft of service? I hate to tell you but it’s as old as dirt at ski resorts. If you got hit by a poacher going up what’s the difference to you, you’re both busted up but I guess you can say you were in the right somehow regardless of how you were skiing? You’re first post in this mess about buzzing around a corner makes me worry about you regardless of wether I am going up or coming down.
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Post by promontoryrider on Dec 21, 2020 19:09:48 GMT -5
Good to know patrol is checking tickets. Must suck carrying around an IPAD in their packs to scan the RFID's. Are you a Boyne stock holder? Why are you so worried about theft of service? I hate to tell you but it’s as old as dirt at ski resorts. If you got hit by a poacher going up what’s the difference to you, you’re both busted up but I guess you can say you were in the right somehow regardless of how you were skiing? You’re first post in this mess about buzzing around a corner makes me worry about you regardless of wether I am going up or coming down. Definitely have to worry about me out there, totally out of control, run into people everyday. Always at fault. There is theft of service in the ski. I never knew that....thanks for filling me in.
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Post by promontoryrider on Dec 21, 2020 19:20:13 GMT -5
Good to know patrol is checking tickets. Must suck carrying around an IPAD in their packs to scan the RFID's. To be clear, I have not seen them check this year. But I have been checked and have seen others checked in past. I would think this year, they will ask to see the RFD card if checking...carrying an iPad is prob not going to happen. You are spending a lot of time thinking about this, its really bothering you or are you just stirring the pot? Any more time than you? I made a post this AM about what I saw - consistent with others, my opinion - which you can’t do here, that got twisted around, donut shamed just accused of not being able ski, just going with the flow. It’s all good.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Dec 21, 2020 19:32:32 GMT -5
I am not arguing, I am asking questions. I am learning about how others feel. Nothing more than that. If you are taking that in a different way, please do not..
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Post by hawk on Dec 22, 2020 7:46:37 GMT -5
Rules are for people that follow rules. Rules are made for the 10% of people that are too F-ing stupid to understand what is logically safe. Rules are for people that do stupid things and hurt others. I really think that some if not most rules can be bent if you are a very intelligent person, put no one at risk, stay under the radar and not flaunt that you are doing this and you have sound judgement when you do break the rules. I really hate people that are sticklers for the rules. Most of our great accomplishments came from people that shunned the rules.
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Post by ZenMaster on Dec 22, 2020 8:02:08 GMT -5
Most of our great accomplishments came from people that shunned the rules. So do many disasters. I appreciate where you are coming from but too many people think they are smart/experienced enough to break/bend the rules only to find hard way they are not and then end up putting others at risk. If you are going to be a “safe” rule breaker/bender then just do it and as you said don’t flaunt it, and if something goes wrong then own it.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Dec 22, 2020 8:18:14 GMT -5
Rules are for people that follow rules. Rules are made for the 10% of people that are too F-ing stupid to understand what is logically safe. Rules are for people that do stupid things and hurt others. I really think that some if not most rules can be bent if you are a very intelligent person, put no one at risk, stay under the radar and not flaunt that you are doing this and you have sound judgement when you do break the rules. I really hate people that are sticklers for the rules. Most of our great accomplishments came from people that shunned the rules. Agree, just not the place to discuss.... There is so much more behind the uphill scene at SR, but will keep it off the board here. I probably have said enough
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Post by Machski on Dec 22, 2020 11:28:14 GMT -5
Since I posted the differing Boyne mountain uphill policies, ease note I said also that SR should have a different policy given the differing layouts of the resorts. I think a lot of the current issues (maybe not so much issues, but visibility of the uphill traffic) is due to the limited terrain we currently have. That all said, all it will take is one DH/Uphill collision to cause the resort to relook at this. Being that uphilling is not their exact business model, I have a feeling I know which segment would see new restrictions. I hope it never comes to this.
Personally, I usually only uphill on wind hold days. Primarily because I like to spend time with my dog, we usually go out at day break and put in an hour or two of hiking prior to skiing. MB, saw you Monday as we hiked up RR and across Barker Basin and SouthRidge to Ridge Run/Ski Back. One of these days I'll join you for a pre lift uphill. Maybe holiday week.
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