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Post by flip on Sept 30, 2020 12:26:37 GMT -5
I can confirm that Trump lies, Biden avoids questions and this country has a ton of issues. To be clear, Insulin is not cheap but there are plans in place to help people be able to afford these life saving medications. Pharma has their thoughts, payers have their thoughts, politicians have their thoughts, there a many stakeholders in play here... Once I figured out that politicians lie, it became a lot easier for me to listen to that BS from both sides. Can we discuss Biden and his lack of answer on court packing and lack of an answer on why protesters are burning down cities or will we only focus on Trump? I prefer observing Zen get body bagged on topic after topic - but if you must change course, by all means.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Sept 30, 2020 12:27:23 GMT -5
Zenny, pass this site to your friends...solid company just went public and great wayto see what savings are available: www.goodrx.com
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Post by hawk on Sept 30, 2020 13:00:17 GMT -5
Packing the court: I can understand why Biden did not want to answer that question last night. It's a no win a month before the election. If he says no he would not do that if he was the president, it will go against and undermine what several of the key democratic leaders are saying. Right now they have no leverage to hold up the ram rod confirmation of Amy Barrett. This is the only tactic left that they can use. Biden in the past has been against doing something like this so I doubt he would do it. He has not been a fan of messing with long standing institutions. On the the other hand if he says he would do this, the conservatives would loose their shit and say this a another left conspiracy to undermine the GOP. I say the GOP has installed 2 justices that lean on the conservative side with this administration and they do not need to add another to tip the scales even further. It is not in the best interests of the entire country. If Pres Trump wins the election then they get their justice anyway so in the essence of calming things down why not wait.
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Post by ZenMaster on Sept 30, 2020 14:40:00 GMT -5
so in the essence of calming things down why not wait. Did you watch last night’s debacle? Trump has no interest in calming things down, he just wants to keep ratcheting them up even more. And since the GOP has pledged their allegiance to Trump, don’t expect any efforts at calming things down any time soon.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Sept 30, 2020 15:40:34 GMT -5
But Biden called Trump: a liar, a slown x2, told him to shut up 3x....yep it is only Trumps fault.
They both suck and neither IMO is worthy of being President. Trump is a maniac who thrives in controversy and Biden is an old senile guy who has done nothing in 47 years, well accept putting the crime bill into action...and now claiming to be the savior for black people that he put in jail. This is a total joke. My choice will be the lesser of two evils.
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Post by ZenMaster on Sept 30, 2020 15:59:17 GMT -5
Biden owns what he said and it wasn’t a good look for him either, but he was clearly reacting, not provoking.
I probably won’t vote for either, but if they were they only two choices then clearly I’d vote for Biden as the lesser of two evils, and it isn’t even close IMO.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Sept 30, 2020 16:03:19 GMT -5
well, you will have one of them as President...really doesnt matter who you vote for as you know.
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Post by ZenMaster on Sept 30, 2020 16:14:23 GMT -5
well, you will have one of them as President...really doesnt matter who you vote for as you know. That is true. I’m a little more torn on the senate race. I’m pretty much disgusted by both Collins and Gideon campaigns.
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Post by ZenMaster on Oct 1, 2020 13:46:07 GMT -5
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Post by ZenMaster on Oct 1, 2020 13:59:48 GMT -5
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Post by ZenMaster on Oct 1, 2020 14:47:02 GMT -5
“Insulin, it’s going to — it was destroying families, destroying people. The cost,” the president said. “I’m getting it for so cheap it’s like water.” So yeah, apparently it wasn’t BS wasn’t when my friends and family said this was an outright fabrication... www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/30/trump-insulin-cost/
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Oct 1, 2020 15:19:46 GMT -5
If you think Insulin is expensive, look at any oral oncolytic.....not even close in comparison. And it is bullshit, insulin does not cost $30 per day....sorry it doesnt. Here is a quick check for you...Humalog, top meal time insulin product: $68 per month. And Lumjev, one of the more expensive at $275 per month..still not $30 per day. No one pays full retail for drugs...if you do, shame on you. I am not going to lecture you on what insulin is, why it is used, etc...Check with your brother, he has been "in pharma" for 20 years..right? And there is a huge effort to lower the prices of insulin and many other life saving medications......on Trump, he and all other politicians are liars...they stretch truth, make shit up....I think we have covered this. Humalog www.goodrx.com/humalog?c=homepage-lander-sem-4&gclid=CjwKCAjw_NX7BRA1EiwA2dpg0srfoD8CExfU92Vt5gaWTdGdsUBbvrZUmAkSpsVOZPVOSyxCAg2-rxoCn9MQAvD_BwELumyjev: www.goodrx.com/lyumjevInsulins compared www.goodrx.com/insulinsAnd what is the point, you think people should be getting drugs for free? You do not think big pharma should take price increases? You should look deeper into your insurance provider and the premiums you pay. UHC, the nations biggest private insurer had $14B in profits in 2019...$14B....
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Post by ZenMaster on Oct 1, 2020 16:11:40 GMT -5
MB, the point is very clear: the President of the United States said he had personally reduced the price of insulin to be the same as water. You have made it clear that you don’t care when he lies and just makes stuff like that up, and that’s fine. But you also said that my friend’s response to this Trump lie, based on her experience buying insulin for her son who has Type 1, was BS which clearly it wasn’t.
From the WaPo article I linked to:
“ About 1 in 4 patients with diabetes report underusing insulin because of financial pressure, which “effectively means that they are trying to make their insulin stretch, or having difficulty buying groceries or paying utility bills,” said physician Jing Luo, a professor at the University of Pittsburgh’s Center for Pharmaceutical Policy and Prescribing.
Switching to cheaper but less effective forms of insulin, or rationing it, can be devastating. People with diabetes can suffer strokes, kidney failure or death without sufficient insulin.
“The consequence of the untenable price of insulin can be measured in body counts,” Greene said.
Three companies — Eli Lilly, Novo Nordisk and Sanofi — dominate the market for insulin.
Insulin sold by Novo Nordisk, under the brand name NovoLog, was priced at $40 per vial in 2001 and rose to $289 in 2018, as The Washington Post reported last year. Eli Lilly’s Humalog insulin was $275 a vial as of last year, up from $21 when it entered the market in 1996. Sanofi’s Lantus was up to $270 a vial last year from $35 when it debuted in 2001. A box of Lantus exceeds $1,000 in the United States, Luo pointed out, “yet that same box lists under $100 at any Canadian pharmacy without a prescription.”
The three drugmakers have reduced the cost of insulin for some patients who have lost jobs, health insurance or both as a result of the pandemic. But attempts to encourage the industry to rein in insulin prices have been largely unsuccessful, Greene said, with manufacturers blaming the third-party companies that manage insurance benefits, and those middlemen in turn blaming the manufacturers.
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Post by ZenMaster on Oct 1, 2020 16:19:39 GMT -5
UHC, the nations biggest private insurer had $14B in profits in 2019...$14B.... Thanks for pointing out how broken the HC system is. Too bad Trump has no plan to address it (other then the mythical one he keeps saying he’s going to reveal when the time is right, lol).
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Post by bob on Oct 1, 2020 17:31:58 GMT -5
Gee I wonder why?
A. Mostly peaceful riots
B. Joe Biden's "I'll shut it down" quote
C. Joe Biden's corruption. Burisma, China
D. The presstitutes in the media's liberal bias (most people view the media unfavorably)
All of the above.
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