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Post by Barker on Sept 30, 2020 7:01:54 GMT -5
Agreed silly waste of time i am likely not watching the next one Wonder if debates #2 & 3 will have new rules like the moderator has a mic mute button. At least one group enjoyed the debate. The Proud Boys got a shout out, made a new logo out of it and are already selling tshirts
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Post by what is hip ? on Sept 30, 2020 7:18:39 GMT -5
Agreed silly waste of time i am likely not watching the next one Isn't the next debate town hall style? I'll likely watch hoping Ken Bone is there again.
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Post by promontoryrider on Sept 30, 2020 7:36:10 GMT -5
I hope the VP debate is more civil than that one. Two old guys arguing like little kids isn’t a good look. I love the post game analysis. Each side thinks their candidate handled it well and the other was the problem. Comical. ABC News as the debate kicks off George Stephanopoulos says, "according to latest ABC computer models Joe Biden has a 78% chance of winning election if it were held today." I think it was comical too....absolutely no substance. Joe doesn't answer any questions and Trump interrupts him.....next debate, let Joe talk (babble).
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Sept 30, 2020 8:28:13 GMT -5
Back to the betting, Biden work a white/black stripped tie..you would have won $1200 with $100 bet on tie color/choice.
I never saw who took the first sip of water and Biden said the word Scranton before he said Malarkey.....
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Post by ZenMaster on Sept 30, 2020 10:42:26 GMT -5
Cost of insulin is a hot button issue in my family and for many of my friends who have diabetes and have kids with diabetes. This was shared by a friend who is very active in fundraising and raising awareness of Type 1 diabetes. It still amazes me when Trump lies about stuff that can so easily and broadly be debunked.
President Donald J. Trump told a lie* last night that I'd like to focus on. As a mom of a son with Type 1 diabetes, I cannot stand by as President Trump lies about the cost of insulin. Insulin has not come down to cost "almost as much as water" under President Trump.
I get it. You don't have a loved one with Type 1 diabetes. I get it. It's not your fault my kid has Type 1 diabetes. Through JDRF Ride to Cure we have met hundreds of families with loved ones who have Type 1 diabetes, like Bunny Farber Kasper. To our JDRF Families, please post if your insulin cost is "like water."
I don't understand why the President would lie about what we pay for insulin.
If you do not know about Type 1 diabetes, please ask me. Come see me and let me share our experience.
*noun noun: lie; plural noun: lies an intentionally false statement.
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Post by Machski on Sept 30, 2020 10:53:21 GMT -5
Cost of insulin is a hot button issue in my family and for many of my friends who have diabetes and have kids with diabetes. This was shared by a friend who is very active in fundraising and raising awareness of Type 1 diabetes. It still amazes me when Trump lies about stuff that can so easily and broadly be debunked. President Donald J. Trump told a lie* last night that I'd like to focus on. As a mom of a son with Type 1 diabetes, I cannot stand by as President Trump lies about the cost of insulin. Insulin has not come down to cost "almost as much as water" under President Trump.
I get it. You don't have a loved one with Type 1 diabetes. I get it. It's not your fault my kid has Type 1 diabetes. Through JDRF Ride to Cure we have met hundreds of families with loved ones who have Type 1 diabetes, like Bunny Farber Kasper. To our JDRF Families, please post if your insulin cost is "like water."
I don't understand why the President would lie about what we pay for insulin.
If you do not know about Type 1 diabetes, please ask me. Come see me and let me share our experience.
*noun noun: lie; plural noun: lies an intentionally false statement.Yeah, I took that section as his administration is working towards this, not that it was today. But he's such a blow hard, it is difficult to discern what he think's he's done or its something he plans to do. In that part of the debate that I could follow, he also mentioned allowing states to buy medication through foreign channels. Well that part is correct, I know NH has already started to do this. I am not sure how far the savings have filtered down yet, it may just be for state medicaid use currently (that is my thoughts at this point). So on this point I give him partial credit. AFter all, my wife tells me it is terribly hard to give out Zero's in her eighth grade science class any longer. To do so basically has to come with an affidavit from God himself that the student fully deserves a 0.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Sept 30, 2020 11:03:57 GMT -5
Sorry Zenny, you are way off on this....if you are going to tread into healthcare waters...please do your research before you carelessly cut and paste BS. And pharma companies are for profit entities who support research for many drug candidates that never make it to market, all built into the price. If you are now anti big pharma, please go to your 401K and immediately divest any holdings in big pharma companies, you cannot have it both ways. If you want to debate drug pricing, I will be ready to go... www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/cms-launches-groundbreaking-model-lower-out-pocket-expenses-insulin
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Post by Barker on Sept 30, 2020 11:09:16 GMT -5
Sorry Zenny, you are way off on this....if you are going to tread into healthcare waters...please do your research before you carelessly cut and paste BS. And pharma companies are for profit entities who support research for many drug candidates that never make it to market, all built into the price. If you are now anti big pharma, please go to your 401K and immediately divest any holdings in big pharma companies, you cannot have it both ways. If you want to debate drug pricing, I will be ready to go... www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/cms-launches-groundbreaking-model-lower-out-pocket-expenses-insulinIn March, his administration announced a plan to cap what seniors pay at the pharmacy counter at $35 a month. That perk is only available to a fraction of seniors enrolled in certain pricey private insurance plans.
www.statnews.com/2020/09/29/trump-insulin-fact-check/
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Post by Barker on Sept 30, 2020 11:15:57 GMT -5
Agreed silly waste of time i am likely not watching the next one Isn't the next debate town hall style? I'll likely watch hoping Ken Bone is there again. Yes, town hall style on Oct 15 in Miami with someone from CSPAN moderating.
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Post by ZenMaster on Sept 30, 2020 11:19:58 GMT -5
Sorry Zenny, you are way off on this It’s not me, is it the families that I know including my brother (who has worked in big pharma for 20+ years) and that have not seen any sign of the price relief for insulin that Trump claimed credit for last night. The woman I quoted is very active and connected in this world, and she is using her network to try to make sense of Trump’s claim, and so far she cannot. You called her words BS which suggests to me this specific healthcare issue may be a little outside your area of expertise. The link you cut and pasted is press release from back in March about a program for seniors on Medicare that either hasn’t been implemented yet or has but only on a very small scale. Good in theory, very limited (if any as of yet) impact in practice. Trump made no such distinctions in his claim last night and families that have to buy insulin as a matter of life or death are scratching their heads trying to figure out what the hell he was talking about.
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Post by poe on Sept 30, 2020 11:50:23 GMT -5
Cost of insulin is a hot button issue in my family and for many of my friends who have diabetes and have kids with diabetes. This was shared by a friend who is very active in fundraising and raising awareness of Type 1 diabetes. It still amazes me when Trump lies about stuff that can so easily and broadly be debunked. President Donald J. Trump told a lie* last night that I'd like to focus on. As a mom of a son with Type 1 diabetes, I cannot stand by as President Trump lies about the cost of insulin. Insulin has not come down to cost "almost as much as water" under President Trump.
I get it. You don't have a loved one with Type 1 diabetes. I get it. It's not your fault my kid has Type 1 diabetes. Through JDRF Ride to Cure we have met hundreds of families with loved ones who have Type 1 diabetes, like Bunny Farber Kasper. To our JDRF Families, please post if your insulin cost is "like water."
I don't understand why the President would lie about what we pay for insulin.
If you do not know about Type 1 diabetes, please ask me. Come see me and let me share our experience.
*noun noun: lie; plural noun: lies an intentionally false statement.Yeah, I took that section as his administration is working towards this, not that it was today. But he's such a blow hard, it is difficult to discern what he think's he's done or its something he plans to do. In that part of the debate that I could follow, he also mentioned allowing states to buy medication through foreign channels. Well that part is correct, I know NH has already started to do this. I am not sure how far the savings have filtered down yet, it may just be for state medicaid use currently (that is my thoughts at this point). So on this point I give him partial credit. AFter all, my wife tells me it is terribly hard to give out Zero's in her eighth grade science class any longer. To do so basically has to come with an affidavit from God himself that the student fully deserves a 0. Hopefully a work in progress that will improve pricing - but he could also be buying expensive water - maybe some imported from Mars...
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Sept 30, 2020 11:51:29 GMT -5
You have mentioned your brother before, sorry holds no water for me...not sure what his job is but just working for pharma means nothing to me.
And this topic is exactly what I do, current company partnered with several of the biggest pharma companies that deal in insulin directly and are the leading manufacturers of such products (Lilly, Novo . But you would never realize that because you are focused only on trying to be right and cutting and pasting.
For the record, drugs are costly, They should be so. I do not support socialized medicine nor ObamaCare nor free healthcare for all. And I have dozens of reasons why I do not support those options. 30 year healthcare guy who has led market access for years and years....but what do I know, just ask your brother.
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Post by Machski on Sept 30, 2020 11:53:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I took that section as his administration is working towards this, not that it was today. But he's such a blow hard, it is difficult to discern what he think's he's done or its something he plans to do. In that part of the debate that I could follow, he also mentioned allowing states to buy medication through foreign channels. Well that part is correct, I know NH has already started to do this. I am not sure how far the savings have filtered down yet, it may just be for state medicaid use currently (that is my thoughts at this point). So on this point I give him partial credit. AFter all, my wife tells me it is terribly hard to give out Zero's in her eighth grade science class any longer. To do so basically has to come with an affidavit from God himself that the student fully deserves a 0. Hopefully a work in progress that will improve pricing - but he could also be buying expensive water - maybe some imported from Mars... True enough, we have Fiji Water on board our Aircraft, that stuff is not cheap. But then again, it basically supports an entire Island Nation so go figure
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Post by ZenMaster on Sept 30, 2020 12:05:05 GMT -5
You have mentioned your brother before, sorry holds no water for me...not sure what his job is but just working for pharma means nothing to me. And this topic is exactly what I do, current company partnered with several of the biggest pharma companies that deal in insulin directly and are the leading manufacturers of such products (Lilly, Novo . But you would never realize that because you are focused only on trying to be right and cutting and pasting. For the record, drugs are costly, They should be so. I do not support socialized medicine nor ObamaCare nor free healthcare for all. And I have dozens of reasons why I do not support those options. 30 year healthcare guy who has led market access for years and years....but what do I know, just ask your brother. Look, I’m just telling you that these real world experiences stand in direct contrast to what Trump claimed about insulin prices last night. It’s not BS. He claimed insulin is as cheap as water and that doesn’t appear to be true, not even close.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Sept 30, 2020 12:07:24 GMT -5
I can confirm that Trump lies, Biden avoids questions and this country has a ton of issues. To be clear, Insulin is not cheap but there are plans in place to help people be able to afford these life saving medications. Pharma has their thoughts, payers have their thoughts, politicians have their thoughts, there a many stakeholders in play here...
Once I figured out that politicians lie, it became a lot easier for me to listen to that BS from both sides.
Can we discuss Biden and his lack of answer on court packing and lack of an answer on why protesters are burning down cities or will we only focus on Trump?
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