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Post by riverskier on Jun 6, 2020 13:40:56 GMT -5
I am confident Drew Brees absolutely stands by his initial comments, and there is nothing wrong with that, just like there is nothing wrong with kneeling. Given the current political climate, I think he was essentially forced to apologize, or face continued ridicule from his teammates, and potentially tarnish his reputation for ever. You may be right. I’m just as confident that he stands by the words he has spoken and written since. The two are not necessarily mutually exclude. I also don’t think he was forced to do anything. He could have chosen not to apologize and stayed silent or made some the same arguements being made here, and he would have had president of the United States and all the power and reach that he wields backing him up, along with many other people I’m sure. For some of those same people and probably many others, his reputation has been tarnished by his apology. So either way, his reputation was going to take a hit. And so it would seem he listened to the reactions and I’m sure spoke to people around him and made the decision that works for him. I think he has showed considerable emotional intelligence. You may be right, only he knows for sure. I just dont think he would have made those (rationale imo) remarks had he not meant them. You are correct that their would be fallout either way, but I think it would have been much worse had he not apologized.
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Post by ZenMaster on Jun 6, 2020 14:02:35 GMT -5
That is tremendously hard to believe based on your previous posts. But in the interest of moving forward I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and offer you an answer.... My answer is, I don’t have the answers. I don’t have the answers for me, so I certainly don’t have them for you or anyone else. There is no roadmap for being better and doing better. That’s going to be different for everyone. The idea is to commit to keep on asking ourselves the questions and to keep on trying to find the answers. We might fail. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try. If your answer is that you thought about it and you can’t do or be any better, then i would suggest that you might not be asking the right questions. Figuring out the questions is hard, asking ourselves those questions can be even harder, and it can be extremely personal and difficult to come up with answers. I think thats one of the reasons why a generation on from Rodney King and the LA riots, America is still struggling to ask the right questions, so it’s no wonder we don’t have all the answers. This is not “word salad” and it’s not coming from a place of hate or anger. It’s actually the opposite of that. So there’s your answer. You asked for it, and there it is. I hope it’s all you wanted it to be. It’s the best I can do. Bash away. Please explain this. There is no hate or anger behind my posts. I don’t know how to convince you of that. The people here that know me, know that I am not a hateful or angry person. I go back and read those last two posts you’re referencing and I don’t the see hate or anger that you apparently see. Maybe I’m just blind to it, I don’t know. So please explain and help me understand why you perceive hate and anger from those last two posts. Also, I’m still wondering how you define “liberal”? I asked this before and you didn’t answer. I asked because you labeled me a liberal. I’ve never thought of myself as a liberal, at least not in the political sense. My voting record certainly isn’t a liberal one. So how do you define liberal? Help me understand your perspective. “It's trully sad to see the hate and vitriol from liberals. It's a you are with us or against us philosophy...Zen Master and GMs posts really exemplify this dynamic” Hate and vitriol and with us or against us are not liberal traits, at least not as I understand the textbook definition of liberal. They are also not conservative traits. Yet I see plenty of hate and vitriol and with us or against us coming from both the extreme right and the extreme left in today’s political landscape. I feel it being directed at me in this thread. I’m trying really hard not to direct it at you or anyone else. But I’m not perfect and it’s easy to get defensive and not back down. I’ll own that. And if that comes across as hate and vitriol, I’ll try to be better. But it would be nice to have a little less of it directed my way as well. This forum used to have a strong sense of camaraderie. That included lots of busting chops about sports and skiing and fun stuff like that. I’ve made some good friends, and acquired a whole new level of love and respect for SR the resort (and for a born and bred sugarloafer that is no small feat). We’ve also raised a lot of money together for several worthy causes. Something has changed recently, and not in a good way. Hopefully we can get back there at some point and leave the acrimony behind. I’ll commit to trying, will you? Will WIH? Anyone else? Maybe we should just hit delete on this thread and start over by agreeing to stay away from politics. How about a cooking thread to help fill the skiing gap instead? We can share recipes that we have discovered during quarantine, may even a forum cookbook that could be sold to raise money for MASR could come out of it. Ok maybe not, but this is getting old. Look, your original post on this topic is arrogant and condescending. You assume that everyone in here doesn't have a clue about what's going on in the world, is completely insensitive toward racial issues and needs your guidance and leadership to see the light, as you take charge in changing the world. You have about as much credibility for this cause as Kaepernik does......a huge beneficiary of white privilige, white upper-class family and can afford to walk away from a job that pays a million dollars a year for the sake of stroking his ego. When you got pressed on what you do, you had nothing. You seem like a big faker to me. I'll be anxiously waiting for my next written warning. Love your spirit rippy, even though we don’t agree on much of anything. Maybe someday you’ll be able to make it to a community event and we can talk about this stuff in person.
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Post by bob on Jun 6, 2020 15:45:56 GMT -5
But do you now understand the point being made? No. I've listened to his original remarks and can't figure out what he's apologizing for. He was clearly pressured into apologizing, which in and of itself is pretty disturbing. We may never see him on Ellen again. Right on Rippy. WTF? Has the intolerance of the left gotten so bad that any divergence from the BS PC ideology no longer allowed? This is like Newspeak from Orwell's 1984.
I recall that old Bumper sticker liberals had that said "COEXIST". Things have changed and the PC police will no longer COEXIST with any other opinion but their own. So much for diversity.
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Post by noturns on Jun 6, 2020 17:10:46 GMT -5
No. I've listened to his original remarks and can't figure out what he's apologizing for. He was clearly pressured into apologizing, which in and of itself is pretty disturbing. We may never see him on Ellen again. Right on Rippy. WTF? Has the intolerance of the left gotten so bad that any divergence from the BS PC ideology no longer allowed? This is like Newspeak from Orwell's 1984.
I recall that old Bumper sticker liberals had that said "COEXIST". Things have changed and the PC police will no longer COEXIST with any other opinion but their own. So much for diversity.
Has anyone considered that this whole CV 19 is all bullshit? It’s done a great job of dividing the country and this board
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Post by levy24 on Jun 7, 2020 6:52:04 GMT -5
Right on Rippy. WTF? Has the intolerance of the left gotten so bad that any divergence from the BS PC ideology no longer allowed? This is like Newspeak from Orwell's 1984.
I recall that old Bumper sticker liberals had that said "COEXIST". Things have changed and the PC police will no longer COEXIST with any other opinion but their own. So much for diversity.
Has anyone considered that this whole CV 19 is all bullshit? It’s done a great job of dividing the country and this board I don't think CV-19 is complete bullshit. But I do think if you not over 80 or in a nursing home the survival rate is probably closer to regular flu. I think the Left media and politicians have pounced on an opportunity to crush the economy and would be happy to see it burn as long as it means Trump doesn't get re-elected since boasting about economy is his best chance to win. BTW, not a Trump fan or liberal. I hate them all equally.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Jun 7, 2020 8:34:50 GMT -5
From medical standpoint, C19 is absolutely real. Have some groups used it to prop their agendas I strongly feel that way. I hate US politics in that both sides continue to blame the other and the focus is in the past...and not on the solutions moving forward. Biden talking about what Trump did in October is comical and Trump constantly pounding his chest each time he goes to the bathroom is even more comical. Trump battling DC Mayor over Twitter is a total waste of time. I think it only gets worse as we now have Covid 19, racism, police brutality, etc as political hot potato type issues that will dominate the next 6 months leading up to election...this is mostly IMO about political agendas and trying to win an election vs being about making the US a better place to live and prosper for ALL regardless of shape, size, color, political affiliation, etc. I would love to just blast off and go live in Britsh Columbia for next 40 years.
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Post by Machski on Jun 7, 2020 10:26:42 GMT -5
From medical standpoint, C19 is absolutely real. Have some groups used it to prop their agendas I strongly feel that way. I hate US politics in that both sides continue to blame the other and the focus is in the past...and not on the solutions moving forward. Biden talking about what Trump did in October is comical and Trump constantly pounding his chest each time he goes to the bathroom is even more comical. Trump battling DC Mayor over Twitter is a total waste of time. I think it only gets worse as we now have Covid 19, racism, police brutality, etc as political hot potato type issues that will dominate the next 6 months leading up to election...this is mostly IMO about political agendas and trying to win an election vs being about making the US a better place to live and prosper for ALL regardless of shape, size, color, political affiliation, etc. I would love to just blast off and go live in Britsh Columbia for next 40 years. Well written and my sentiments exactly. BC is a fun place to visit, but Canada has its own issues and not sure I'd be able to live up there either for 40 years. Mrs. Mach told me once let's move to Europe to escape the political BS over here. I told her the same, Europe is great to visit but they have their own issues, unique to us. Now New Zealand, I could probably live there for quite some time.
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Post by CartMan on Jun 7, 2020 15:21:39 GMT -5
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Post by bob on Jun 7, 2020 16:18:56 GMT -5
Right on Rippy. WTF? Has the intolerance of the left gotten so bad that any divergence from the BS PC ideology no longer allowed? This is like Newspeak from Orwell's 1984.
I recall that old Bumper sticker liberals had that said "COEXIST". Things have changed and the PC police will no longer COEXIST with any other opinion but their own. So much for diversity.
Has anyone considered that this whole CV 19 is all bullshit? It’s done a great job of dividing the country and this board Great point noturns. Divide and conquer is how Elite's keep the peasants in line and from noticing how the Fed is robbing us blind while they take away our freedoms. Never let a good crisis go to waste. First we are distracted w. COVID. Then the frustration over loss of Jobs, schools, sports, going to the gym, church, restaurants, movies, Bars, AA meetings, vacations, shopping etc caused this scale of reaction. You cannot yank away all of the recreation and institutions of a society without serious blowback. This lockdown put the masses under a great pressure with no normal way to blow off steam and cope. Then the Floyd video was like a spark plug firing in an engine at top dead center. The lockdown frustration caused the riots. This was avoidable. The media hyping COVID BS doomsday models fear mongering the public. BS reindeer games like social distancing to quarantine healthy people for the first time in history. Then 6 NE states, plus IL force nursing homes to take COVID patients making them a kill zone. Yes, noturns it does seem like bullshit.
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Post by noturns on Jun 7, 2020 17:09:12 GMT -5
Has anyone considered that this whole CV 19 is all bullshit? It’s done a great job of dividing the country and this board Great point noturns. Divide and conquer is how Elite's keep the peasants in line and from noticing how the Fed is robbing us blind while they take away our freedoms. Never let a good crisis go to waste. First we are distracted w. COVID. Then the frustration over loss of Jobs, schools, sports, going to the gym, church, restaurants, movies, Bars, AA meetings, vacations, shopping etc caused this scale of reaction. You cannot yank away all of the recreation and institutions of a society without serious blowback. This lockdown put the masses under a great pressure with no normal way to blow off steam and cope. Then the Floyd video was like a spark plug firing in an engine at top dead center. The lockdown frustration caused the riots. This was avoidable. The media hyping COVID BS doomsday models fear mongering the public. BS reindeer games like social distancing to quarantine healthy people for the first time in history. Then 6 NE states, plus IL force nursing homes to take COVID patients making them a kill zone. Yes, noturns it does seem like bullshit. Hi Bob, could not agree more. Obviously there’s a nasty bug out there and caution is advised. But, like you said, quarantining heathy people is insane. I guess Covid 19 dioes not attack protesters. WTF
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Post by hawk on Jun 8, 2020 7:46:48 GMT -5
Has anyone considered that this whole CV 19 is all bullshit? It’s done a great job of dividing the country and this board I don't think CV-19 is complete bullshit. But I do think if you not over 80 or in a nursing home the survival rate is probably closer to regular flu. I think the Left media and politicians have pounced on an opportunity to crush the economy and would be happy to see it burn as long as it means Trump doesn't get re-elected since boasting about economy is his best chance to win. BTW, not a Trump fan or liberal. I hate them all equally. Levy24, you really think that liberal leaning people pushed the corona virus just to tank the economy and burn Trumps 2020 campaign? You are completely out of your mind. This is exactly the thing I was talking about earlier. We are all hard working people on both sides of the isle or in the middle like me. There are very wealthy Dems and Repubs as well as very poor. NO ONE wants the economy to crash. I will never believe that there is any conspiracy like that just to get Trump out of the office. I'm not voting for Donald Trump because I do not think he can unite this country. That in itself is the only thing I think is important right now. I am not sure I am going to vote for Biden. My decision will rest with who he chooses for a partner. Elisabeth Warren will be a non-starter. IF Biden was to choose a republican running mate, a moderate, and said he was going to choose to listen and reunite the country, That would be something I would vote for. Because until there is good dialog across the isle in the House and Senate, there will be no democracy or America.
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Post by levy24 on Jun 8, 2020 8:56:15 GMT -5
I don't think CV-19 is complete bullshit. But I do think if you not over 80 or in a nursing home the survival rate is probably closer to regular flu. I think the Left media and politicians have pounced on an opportunity to crush the economy and would be happy to see it burn as long as it means Trump doesn't get re-elected since boasting about economy is his best chance to win. BTW, not a Trump fan or liberal. I hate them all equally. Levy24, you really think that liberal leaning people pushed the corona virus just to tank the economy and burn Trumps 2020 campaign? You are completely out of your mind. This is exactly the thing I was talking about earlier. We are all hard working people on both sides of the isle or in the middle like me. There are very wealthy Dems and Repubs as well as very poor. NO ONE wants the economy to crash. I will never believe that there is any conspiracy like that just to get Trump out of the office. I'm not voting for Donald Trump because I do not think he can unite this country. That in itself is the only thing I think is important right now. I am not sure I am going to vote for Biden. My decision will rest with who he chooses for a partner. Elisabeth Warren will be a non-starter. IF Biden was to choose a republican running mate, a moderate, and said he was going to choose to listen and reunite the country, That would be something I would vote for. Because until there is good dialog across the isle in the House and Senate, there will be no democracy or America. Well that's my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. I don't think they pushed Corona to crush the economy, but I do think they are helping to drag out the re-opening process for as long as possible because it does hurt Trump. I actually agree with sentiments about the next election. Not sure who or if I would vote if it were to happen today. No good choices.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Jun 8, 2020 10:24:48 GMT -5
Agree on next election, Binden VP choice is going to be an important decision. I will also add w the Dow at 27400 (Feb/March) levels, another positive job report, C19 diminishing & business opening, civil unrest settling down and maybe a little decency from DT and he (Trump) improves his chances greatly. If election were held today, not so sure he would win . Still a long way to go until the polls open and until people decide who to vote for or more importantly in this election...vote at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 10:53:13 GMT -5
I don't think CV-19 is complete bullshit. But I do think if you not over 80 or in a nursing home the survival rate is probably closer to regular flu. I think the Left media and politicians have pounced on an opportunity to crush the economy and would be happy to see it burn as long as it means Trump doesn't get re-elected since boasting about economy is his best chance to win. BTW, not a Trump fan or liberal. I hate them all equally. Levy24, you really think that liberal leaning people pushed the corona virus just to tank the economy and burn Trumps 2020 campaign? You are completely out of your mind. This is exactly the thing I was talking about earlier. We are all hard working people on both sides of the isle or in the middle like me. There are very wealthy Dems and Repubs as well as very poor. NO ONE wants the economy to crash. I will never believe that there is any conspiracy like that just to get Trump out of the office. I'm not voting for Donald Trump because I do not think he can unite this country. That in itself is the only thing I think is important right now. I am not sure I am going to vote for Biden. My decision will rest with who he chooses for a partner. Elisabeth Warren will be a non-starter. IF Biden was to choose a republican running mate, a moderate, and said he was going to choose to listen and reunite the country, That would be something I would vote for. Because until there is good dialog across the isle in the House and Senate, there will be no democracy or America. I do. You're talking about a group (collectively, the DNC, very Dem politician and the MSM) that has literally done nothing for over three years but try to dig up dirt on Trump in an attempt to impeach him. Their mantra.........never waste a good crisis and they politicized this one starting on day 1. I personally know more than just a few people that think that a few million Americans suffering through a recession is a small price to pay for getting rid of Trump. Their level of their hate of him is really amazing to watch.
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Post by hawk on Jun 8, 2020 11:29:23 GMT -5
That's funny Rippy because I know no one that thinks that way(refering to your statement"I personally know more than just a few people that think that a few million Americans suffering through a recession is a small price to pay for getting rid of Trump"). I must be jaded or choose the people that I associate with carefully. I am going to take a leap of faith that those people that think that, the hate groups that hate blacks and minorities, the gun rights NRA drones and the everybody in between will be counteracted by cool thinking rational people and this country will right itself. Maybe someday. In a dream.
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