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Post by hawk on Jun 8, 2020 11:34:10 GMT -5
Levy24, you really think that liberal leaning people pushed the corona virus just to tank the economy and burn Trumps 2020 campaign? You are completely out of your mind. This is exactly the thing I was talking about earlier. We are all hard working people on both sides of the isle or in the middle like me. There are very wealthy Dems and Repubs as well as very poor. NO ONE wants the economy to crash. I will never believe that there is any conspiracy like that just to get Trump out of the office. I'm not voting for Donald Trump because I do not think he can unite this country. That in itself is the only thing I think is important right now. I am not sure I am going to vote for Biden. My decision will rest with who he chooses for a partner. Elisabeth Warren will be a non-starter. IF Biden was to choose a republican running mate, a moderate, and said he was going to choose to listen and reunite the country, That would be something I would vote for. Because until there is good dialog across the isle in the House and Senate, there will be no democracy or America. I do. You're talking about a group (collectively, the DNC, very Dem politician and the MSM) that has literally done nothing for over three years but try to dig up dirt on Trump in an attempt to impeach him. Their mantra.........never waste a good crisis and they politicized this one starting on day 1. I personally know more than just a few people that think that a few million Americans suffering through a recession is a small price to pay for getting rid of Trump. Their level of their hate of him is really amazing to watch.So if I said the republican level of hate for a black democratic president is really amazing to watch, would that be wrong? Because I don't personally know a few people like that but I have heard them.
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Post by ZenMaster on Jun 8, 2020 11:48:45 GMT -5
So if I said the republican level of hate for a black democratic president is really amazing to watch, would that be wrong? No. Long before anyone coined the term TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome), ODS had already been well established. Although neither syndrome was/is limited to people from one party or the other.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Jun 8, 2020 14:59:44 GMT -5
27,539 and rising
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 15:47:32 GMT -5
I do. You're talking about a group (collectively, the DNC, very Dem politician and the MSM) that has literally done nothing for over three years but try to dig up dirt on Trump in an attempt to impeach him. Their mantra.........never waste a good crisis and they politicized this one starting on day 1. I personally know more than just a few people that think that a few million Americans suffering through a recession is a small price to pay for getting rid of Trump. Their level of their hate of him is really amazing to watch.So if I said the republican level of hate for a black democratic president is really amazing to watch, would that be wrong? Because I don't personally know a few people like that but I have heard them. Not sure what your point is but yeah, there’s crazies on both sides of the isle. The fringe elements of both parties are in control.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 15:48:09 GMT -5
Sweet!!! NASDAQ and S&P crushed through previous highs, recovering all this year’s losses.
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Post by what is hip ? on Jun 8, 2020 19:10:04 GMT -5
No poll needed. Lets just answer yes or no. Defund police? GladeMonkey? Zen? why not you lead-off?
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Post by riverskier on Jun 8, 2020 20:26:02 GMT -5
No poll needed. Lets just answer yes or no. Defund police? GladeMonkey? Zen? why not you lead-off? I wont even dignify that with a response, but would also be curious about what GM and ZM have to say...
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Post by ZenMaster on Jun 8, 2020 21:35:10 GMT -5
Awww, you guys really know how to make someone feel loved.
Defund sounds extreme and unrealistic to me, and I’m not sure there is agreement among those calling for it about what it even really means. That said, just the specter of it could help bring about reforms where needed, which wouldn’t suck. I live in a town that doesn't have police department so nothing to actually defund here.
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Post by junior on Jun 9, 2020 8:06:59 GMT -5
I'd love to see the full bodycam footage of what led up to the knee on the throat video.
Highly doubt the officer woke up that morning and said to himself, "hey, let's go kill a black man today."
Gotta wonder what led up to that and why it hasn't been released yet. Could Floyd have put the officers life in danger first? Was he high on something? Was he resisting? Did he brandish a weapon? Was there history between Floyd and those 4 officers?
Need the footage that led up to the knee on the throat. It exists for sure as all those 4 were wearing bodycams. Were they told NOT to release it? Was it destroyed by the DA's and SA's to make sure Chauvin took the fall for this?
Always 2 sides to a story, and the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.
Where's the footage leading up to the death?
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Jun 9, 2020 8:14:03 GMT -5
Regardless of what happened prior, Floyd was subdued, handcuffed and no longer a threat to 4 police officers. He should have been picked up, put in squad car and taken to jail....nothing that led up to this justifies it. And it is possible, the lead up was bad for police as well.
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Post by junior on Jun 9, 2020 8:24:26 GMT -5
Regardless of what happened prior, Floyd was subdued, handcuffed and no longer a threat to 4 police officers. He should have been picked up, put in squad car and taken to jail....nothing that led up to this justifies it. And it is possible, the lead up was bad for police as well. Agreed. That's why we need to know what led up to it.
Agreeing with everything you say here.
Not in any way at all saying the killing was justified. It obviously was not as the threat had been eliminated minutes before the death.
I think it's important to know what happened timeline wise before the video that we've all seen already. We need the video from that point and going back 10 minutes.
Yes, of course the killing was not justified, but don't you wanna know why the officer did what he did?
Did he really just wake up that morning and decide it was the right day to kill a black man?
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Jun 9, 2020 8:39:35 GMT -5
Regardless of what happened prior, Floyd was subdued, handcuffed and no longer a threat to 4 police officers. He should have been picked up, put in squad car and taken to jail....nothing that led up to this justifies it. And it is possible, the lead up was bad for police as well. Agreed. That's why we need to know what led up to it.
Agreeing with everything you say here.
Not in any way at all saying the killing was justified. It obviously was not as the threat had been eliminated minutes before the death.
I think it's important to know what happened timeline wise before the video that we've all seen already. We need the video from that point and going back 10 minutes.
Yes, of course the killing was not justified, but don't you wanna know why the officer did what he did?
Did he really just wake up that morning and decide it was the right day to kill a black man?
I know you dont think it was justified. If there is footage from body cams earlier, we won't see it until a trial kicks off or finishes is my guess. I would be looking for a plea if I am lead officer attorney. The other cops will say they were following orders
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Post by junior on Jun 9, 2020 8:53:29 GMT -5
Agreed. That's why we need to know what led up to it.
Agreeing with everything you say here.
Not in any way at all saying the killing was justified. It obviously was not as the threat had been eliminated minutes before the death.
I think it's important to know what happened timeline wise before the video that we've all seen already. We need the video from that point and going back 10 minutes.
Yes, of course the killing was not justified, but don't you wanna know why the officer did what he did?
Did he really just wake up that morning and decide it was the right day to kill a black man?
I know you dont think it was justified. If there is footage from body cams earlier, we won't see it until a trial kicks off or finishes is my guess. I would be looking for a plea if I am lead officer attorney. The other cops will say they were following orders Before I would take any plea, I would have to see that unseen footage.
Something isn't sitting right. There's more to this.
Again, did he really just wake up that morning and decide it was the right day to kill a black man? My gut says "no".
There's something we don't know that's being held back.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Jun 9, 2020 9:16:26 GMT -5
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Post by dickc49 on Jun 9, 2020 11:20:41 GMT -5
So if I said the republican level of hate for a black democratic president is really amazing to watch, would that be wrong? No. Long before anyone coined the term TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome), ODS had already been well established. Although neither syndrome was/is limited to people from one party or the other. And before that it was W derangement syndrome, Clinton derangement syndrome, etc.
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