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Post by ZenMaster on Jun 4, 2020 22:09:05 GMT -5
Watching local news coverages of protests in Lewiston today. No violence, nice show of support from city PD, and what seems to be meaningful dialog taking place. Signs of hope.
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Post by what is hip ? on Jun 4, 2020 23:18:08 GMT -5
Maybe be more clear. I didn't miss oldtimers point, I addressed it. I have no idea what yours is. You didn’t address his point at all, so clearly you didn’t get it. what are you talking about? Last time for me on this one.. Oldtimer said:(service.. assumed since he referenced all his relatives in the service and his own service) "service" Has nothing to do with patriotism being usurped for political purposes, which was my main point. I said:So, I think service does have something to do with being Patriotic. But you don't and that is OK
. Oldtimer - have at it. If I am wrong, I will apologize to you for misinterpreting. Perhaps I missed the political purposes part. But, I never think about politics when I think about my father's service.
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Post by ZenMaster on Jun 5, 2020 5:06:13 GMT -5
Perhaps I missed the political purposes part. That. Was. His. Point. And as you just said, you missed it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 8:05:27 GMT -5
Unbelievable jobs report this morning. Dow futures up over 600 points.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Jun 5, 2020 8:46:53 GMT -5
I love the DOW at 27K...
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Post by Machski on Jun 5, 2020 9:46:54 GMT -5
Any chance we see Kap in an NFL uniform again. Gotta wonder is a team would want to cash in on some good PR right now. My guess is no. Football-wise I don’t think what he can offer is enough to balance out the PR firestorm that any team would have to endure. That said, crazier things certainly have happened. With Cam still out looking, Kap has zero chance.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Jun 5, 2020 10:01:29 GMT -5
I see this diff entry, I see Cam getting signed the moment a top starter is injured. I do not see that for Kap I am surprised someone hasn’t signed him, he is better than a few starters and most of the back ups.
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Post by Machski on Jun 5, 2020 10:05:19 GMT -5
I see this diff entry, I see Cam getting signed the moment a top starter is injured. I do not see that for Kap I am surprised someone hasn’t signed him, he is better than a few starters and most of the back ups. I agree, but regardless, with Cam out there, Kap will get zero looks for sure.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Jun 5, 2020 10:16:20 GMT -5
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Post by Machski on Jun 5, 2020 10:24:05 GMT -5
Looks bad, but this video doesn't show the lead up. The injured party does approach the moving Police line on his own, not sure his intentions or what came before the clip rolled (as in was he ordered to move back before moving towards the Police line). With that said, the push did not appear to be extremely forceful but for an older person, likely enough to knock him off his feet if he wasn't expecting it. This is not an easy situation on either side, tensions are high and a quick action can turn into a horrible moment. My personal belief here is this is far different from Minn, it was a quick reaction by the Police but I don't think it carried the same excessive use of force, maybe unfortunate use here. Just can't judge by the limited window of footage.
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Post by ZenMaster on Jun 5, 2020 10:30:50 GMT -5
“Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are.”
Benjamin Franklin 1706 – 1790 Founding Father of the United States
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Jun 5, 2020 10:32:36 GMT -5
Looks bad, but this video doesn't show the lead up. The injured party does approach the moving Police line on his own, not sure his intentions or what came before the clip rolled (as in was he ordered to move back before moving towards the Police line). With that said, the push did not appear to be extremely forceful but for an older person, likely enough to knock him off his feet if he wasn't expecting it. This is not an easy situation on either side, tensions are high and a quick action can turn into a horrible moment. My personal belief here is this is far different from Minn, it was a quick reaction by the Police but I don't think it carried the same excessive use of force, maybe unfortunate use here. Just can't judge by the limited window of footage. come on, that way was zero threat, even worse they just kept walking past. One cop tried to reach down but was pulled back by others....guy was bleeding from his ears. If that were my dad, I would have been arrested for coming to his defense.
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Post by Machski on Jun 5, 2020 12:57:53 GMT -5
Looks bad, but this video doesn't show the lead up. The injured party does approach the moving Police line on his own, not sure his intentions or what came before the clip rolled (as in was he ordered to move back before moving towards the Police line). With that said, the push did not appear to be extremely forceful but for an older person, likely enough to knock him off his feet if he wasn't expecting it. This is not an easy situation on either side, tensions are high and a quick action can turn into a horrible moment. My personal belief here is this is far different from Minn, it was a quick reaction by the Police but I don't think it carried the same excessive use of force, maybe unfortunate use here. Just can't judge by the limited window of footage. come on, that way was zero threat, even worse they just kept walking past. One cop tried to reach down but was pulled back by others....guy was bleeding from his ears. If that were my dad, I would have been arrested for coming to his defense. Again, he came towards the line at the start of the video. We are missing context from even 5 seconds earlier. They didn't need to push the guy and certainly should have stopped to assist, especially if bleeding post push from his ears. Again, this is a tense time. I have no idea how things have been going in Buffalo, how many hours on duty in the past week the officiers have put in, how many tense situations they have dealt with. Have you? And if you were there MB, would you in your right mind have allowed your elderly father to approach that Police line? I think not, I think THAT is how you would have protected your father. So, I will again back my position. If you decide to approach a Police line in a tense situation, that is your decision and you are at least partly responsible for the consequences of your actions. Tired of everything is someone else's fault in this country.
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Post by ZenMaster on Jun 5, 2020 13:05:51 GMT -5
We need to do better. We need to be better and we need to do better. All of us. That’s what all of this is all about. Expectations need to change. Status quo needs to change. Me. You. Us. Them. Everybody. Taking sides doesn’t work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 14:33:57 GMT -5
come on, that way was zero threat, even worse they just kept walking past. One cop tried to reach down but was pulled back by others....guy was bleeding from his ears. If that were my dad, I would have been arrested for coming to his defense. Again, he came towards the line at the start of the video. We are missing context from even 5 seconds earlier. They didn't need to push the guy and certainly should have stopped to assist, especially if bleeding post push from his ears. Again, this is a tense time. I have no idea how things have been going in Buffalo, how many hours on duty in the past week the officiers have put in, how many tense situations they have dealt with. Have you? And if you were there MB, would you in your right mind have allowed your elderly father to approach that Police line? I think not, I think THAT is how you would have protected your father. So, I will again back my position. If you decide to approach a Police line in a tense situation, that is your decision and you are at least partly responsible for the consequences of your actions. Tired of everything is someone else's fault in this country. You’re splitting hairs. The police are not approaching a foreign enemy line. This is fucking Buffalo on a nice sunny day, in America. And a skinny old guy feels like me - they’re a bunch of over-militarized people that have trained for battle - not protesting people. Who are they “protecting”? They had more gear than guys landing at D-Day. I am sick and tired of it. That incident was awful and shouldn’t have happened, period.
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