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Post by CartMan on Jul 13, 2020 16:36:32 GMT -5
thats a bit extreme, the data is as best as the folks reporting....I think you know that. Ok, maybe a bit extreme, but people are being classified as CV-19 deaths, when in fact, they died from some other issue. They just happened to be positive when they died. You know that the 15,000 new cases in Florida on Saturday 7/11 was based on a whopping 142,000 tests taken that day. That equates to 10.5% positives. This 10.5% represents a decrease from the previous week which ranged from 15% positives on Saturday 7/4 to 11.8% on Friday 7/10. Less people are testing positive as a % of tests. So, 10% positive with large scale testing is now considered a "good" number?? Just asking for a friend.
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Post by bob on Jul 13, 2020 17:01:01 GMT -5
So you think this Florida spike is made up? 15K new cases, death rates were 30 per day 3 weeks ago, now75 per day...testing is up from 25k per day to 50k per day but death rate as % is increasing as well. Hawk, you really do not believe that do you? a world wide pandemic is a hoax to get rid of Trump? Seems to me there would be easier ways, such as not voting for him or as a democrat coming up with an actual plan vs just trashing everything DJT does or says..that is not a plan. Deaths per million: NY: 1668 NJ: 1760 FLA: 199
Hmmmm, seems to be the only thing spiking in FLA is the bullshit propaganda from the liberal media.
Herd immunity may have been reached in the NE states that were hit hard early. Lockdowns/ Social Distancing only delay the inevitable.
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Post by noturns on Jul 13, 2020 17:23:52 GMT -5
Ok, maybe a bit extreme, but people are being classified as CV-19 deaths, when in fact, they died from some other issue. They just happened to be positive when they died. You know that the 15,000 new cases in Florida on Saturday 7/11 was based on a whopping 142,000 tests taken that day. That equates to 10.5% positives. This 10.5% represents a decrease from the previous week which ranged from 15% positives on Saturday 7/4 to 11.8% on Friday 7/10. Less people are testing positive as a % of tests. So, 10% positive with large scale testing is now considered a "good" number?? Just asking for a friend.
Cartman, for your friend ; ), inform him or her that positive does not mean sick. The media harped all over the 15000 new cases w/o mentioning the record testing that took place. More testing will obvious lead to more cases.
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Post by noturns on Jul 13, 2020 17:27:07 GMT -5
So you think this Florida spike is made up? 15K new cases, death rates were 30 per day 3 weeks ago, now75 per day...testing is up from 25k per day to 50k per day but death rate as % is increasing as well. Hawk, you really do not believe that do you? a world wide pandemic is a hoax to get rid of Trump? Seems to me there would be easier ways, such as not voting for him or as a democrat coming up with an actual plan vs just trashing everything DJT does or says..that is not a plan. Deaths per million: NY: 1668 NJ: 1760 FLA: 199
Hmmmm, seems to be the only thing spiking in FLA is the bullshit propaganda from the liberal media.
Herd immunity may have been reached in the NE states that were hit hard early. Lockdowns/ Social Distancing only delay the inevitable.
Agreed Bob. Lockdowns, social distancing, masks only delay, but not prevent the spread. At some point, as in all other pandemics, herd immunity will be hit. Look at the deaths in Sweden. Marginal changes. At or close to herd immunity
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Post by CartMan on Jul 13, 2020 17:27:08 GMT -5
So, 10% positive with large scale testing is now considered a "good" number?? Just asking for a friend.
Cartman, for your friend ; ), inform him or her that positive does not mean sick. The media harped all over the 15000 new cases w/o mentioning the record testing that took place. More testing will obvious lead to more cases. Yes, I understand Cheeto's claim that more testing = more cases. However, testing in FLA went up 37% over weekend , while hospitalization rates went up 188%
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Post by noturns on Jul 13, 2020 17:49:37 GMT -5
Cartman, for your friend ; ), inform him or her that positive does not mean sick. The media harped all over the 15000 new cases w/o mentioning the record testing that took place. More testing will obvious lead to more cases. Yes, I understand Cheeto's claim that more testing = more cases. However, testing in FLA went up 37% over weekend , while hospitalization rates went up 188%
Cartman, have not looked into hospitalization rates. They were saying the same BS in TX and only 28% of the ICU units had Covid Patients. The rest were there for other reasons. Who knows in Florida; very political.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Jul 13, 2020 18:20:49 GMT -5
How can you compare Sweden to the US? 10m people far easier Ro control than 330m. It’s not even a close comparison. Sweden has 10m people in geography the size of CA. CA packs 40m people into the state. Not even close to comparing 330m I. 50 states with the US don’t tell me what to do attitude. How about looking at Brazil? How are they doing? Mexico? India?
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Post by CartMan on Jul 13, 2020 18:58:11 GMT -5
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Post by CartMan on Jul 13, 2020 19:06:52 GMT -5
FLORIDA YEAH !!!!
NoTurns, your governor has the BEST data so you should be able to find the graph you keep looking for.
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Post by wheelie on Jul 14, 2020 4:41:44 GMT -5
So you think this Florida spike is made up? 15K new cases, death rates were 30 per day 3 weeks ago, now75 per day...testing is up from 25k per day to 50k per day but death rate as % is increasing as well. Hawk, you really do not believe that do you? a world wide pandemic is a hoax to get rid of Trump? Seems to me there would be easier ways, such as not voting for him or as a democrat coming up with an actual plan vs just trashing everything DJT does or says..that is not a plan. Hi MB, Cases are the wrong metric IMO. I'm not buying the increase death rate in Florida due to corona virus.
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Post by wheelie on Jul 14, 2020 5:46:07 GMT -5
How can you compare Sweden to the US? 10m people far easier Ro control than 330m. It’s not even a close comparison. Sweden has 10m people in geography the size of CA. CA packs 40m people into the state. Not even close to comparing 330m I. 50 states with the US don’t tell me what to do attitude. How about looking at Brazil? How are they doing? Mexico? India? Herd immunity (also called herd effect, community immunity, population immunity, or social immunity) is a form of indirect protection from infectious disease that occurs when a large percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, whether through vaccination or previous infections, thereby providing a measure of protection for individuals who are not immune.[1][2] In a population in which a large proportion of individuals possess immunity, such people being unlikely to contribute to disease transmission, chains of infection are more likely to be disrupted, which either stops or slows the spread of disease.[3] The greater the proportion of immune individuals in a community, the smaller the probability that non-immune individuals will come into contact with an infectious individual, helping to shield non-immune individuals from infection.[1]
-Wiki
Not sure what the size of the herd or the size of the pasture has to do with this concept?
it also assume that a certain number of people (X) are going to die. until we find a vaccine we can still assume that X will die. we are just prolonging the time frame and killing our economy in the process. You have told me a vaccine is still 18 months away, has that changed considerably? If we have another wave or 2 the next thing you now we hit X+ dead due to poverty and increased mental health issues.
Lock down and protect the high risks and let the rest of us move forward.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Jul 14, 2020 7:06:15 GMT -5
Japan has done amazingly well, densely populated country...everyone wearing masks.
Also, Maine now has the lowest RT rate of all 50 states, only 7 states are below 1.0 mark.
Wheelie, please quote your source. Also, early evidence is showing that antibodies vs C19 might only exist for a few months...if this proves out, that is a very bad thing.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Jul 14, 2020 7:11:14 GMT -5
thats a bit extreme, the data is as best as the folks reporting....I think you know that. Ok, maybe a bit extreme, but people are being classified as CV-19 deaths, when in fact, they died from some other issue. They just happened to be positive when they died. You know that the 15,000 new cases in Florida on Saturday 7/11 was based on a whopping 142,000 tests taken that day. That equates to 10.5% positives. This 10.5% represents a decrease from the previous week which ranged from 15% positives on Saturday 7/4 to 11.8% on Friday 7/10. Less people are testing positive as a % of tests. Of course this is true, in the beginning those that were sick with symptoms were being tested mostly..now that testing is more readily available others that aren’t sick are being tested....And now we know you can be asymptomatic and be positive along with more testing available...there will naturally be more cases...of course the # of positive will fall but that absolute # of positive patients will grow. The death rate amongst positive patients is the key number to watch....apply that vs 330m people and you have a mega issue. And the data will always vary...how states classify will vary....if a 99 year old guy with underlying cardio issues contracts Covid19 and dies he will probably be counted..sure that guy would have died soon anyway...so let here is subjectivity in all of this.
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Post by wheelie on Jul 14, 2020 7:32:36 GMT -5
Wheelie, please quote your source. I did?
HI may or may not work true. a vaccine may or may not work and i can guarantee many wont take it. if both are true it will be the end of our species.
our economy is hurting, no argument there
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Post by wheelie on Jul 14, 2020 8:00:18 GMT -5
Also, Maine now has the lowest RT rate of all 50 states, only 7 states are below 1.0 mark. I watched that stat for a while until I found VT at the bottom one day (they were at the top the day before) because they had 12 existing cases and found 5 more. still 0 deaths mind you.
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