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Post by Machski on Jan 3, 2021 16:35:03 GMT -5
Did you cut and paste the OG post? Or did you use the word sycophant? I used sycophant, not the first time and not the last, to described the politicians who are enabling Trump’s unfounded and baseless challenges to his election defeat (only in the battleground states he lost, which says a lot, but that’s besides the point). More of a description than name calling, IMO. But I apologize if it offended your sensibilities. 🤔 Do you approve of Trump’s tactics? I can only assume you do since your response here is to make it about me (which is typical of course). Look, Trump is just a spoiled brat throwing a tantrum right now. Focus on the important parts, Congress overturned a Veto of his for the first time during his Presidency. The tide has turned against him. Anything he tries now is just background noise, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. MB is correct, go skiing and just let the pieces fall as they will. All will be fine and we can all take account of what went down a year from now or so.
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Post by ZenMaster on Jan 3, 2021 16:42:48 GMT -5
I used sycophant, not the first time and not the last, to described the politicians who are enabling Trump’s unfounded and baseless challenges to his election defeat (only in the battleground states he lost, which says a lot, but that’s besides the point). More of a description than name calling, IMO. But I apologize if it offended your sensibilities. 🤔 Do you approve of Trump’s tactics? I can only assume you do since your response here is to make it about me (which is typical of course). Look, Trump is just a spoiled brat throwing a tantrum right now. Focus on the important parts, Congress overturned a Veto of his for the first time during his Presidency. The tide has turned against him. Anything he tries now is just background noise, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. MB is correct, go skiing and just let the pieces fall as they will. All will be fine and we can all take account of what went down a year from now or so. Totally disagree with this sentiment, Mach. He is still the president and we have current members of Congress supporting his tactics to steal an election he lost by subverting the votes of millions of Americans. This will have ripple effects that we can’t even fathom yet. And funny that you used the man behind the curtain line from the Wizard of Oz, since it was actually said by the man behind the curtain in an attempt to avoid being revealed as perpetrator of a major fraud against his own people. 😂 Ignore how this is all playing out if you want, that’s your choice. But after all the banter in the run up to this election, the “shut up and go skiing” response from both of you is rather weak, IMO. You guys should be like wheelie and just avoid this thread if that’s really how you feel.
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Post by bob on Jan 3, 2021 16:50:32 GMT -5
Look, Trump is just a spoiled brat throwing a tantrum right now. Focus on the important parts, Congress overturned a Veto of his for the first time during his Presidency. The tide has turned against him. Anything he tries now is just background noise, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. MB is correct, go skiing and just let the pieces fall as they will. All will be fine and we can all take account of what went down a year from now or so. Totally disagree with this sentiment, Mach. He is still the president and we have current members of Congress supporting his tactics to steal an election he lost by subverting the votes of millions of Americans. This will have ripple effects that we can’t even fathom yet. Ignore it if you want, that’s your choice. But after all the banter in the run up to this election, the “shut up and go skiing” response from both of you is rather weak, IMO. You guys should be like wheelie and just avoid this thread if that’s really how you feel. Yes the Biden Covidian cult believes all dissent should be silenced, "debunked" or removed from the internet. Zenny what are you working for the Biden ministry of truth?
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Post by ZenMaster on Jan 3, 2021 16:56:23 GMT -5
Totally disagree with this sentiment, Mach. He is still the president and we have current members of Congress supporting his tactics to steal an election he lost by subverting the votes of millions of Americans. This will have ripple effects that we can’t even fathom yet. Ignore it if you want, that’s your choice. But after all the banter in the run up to this election, the “shut up and go skiing” response from both of you is rather weak, IMO. You guys should be like wheelie and just avoid this thread if that’s really how you feel. Yes the Biden Covidian cult believes all dissent should be silenced, "debunked" or removed from the internet. Zenny what are you working for the Biden ministry of truth? bob, Trump and his enablers have been throwing shit against the wall for two months now, the courts have slapped them down at every turn, the states have all certified their results, and Trump’s own AG said there is nothing there. It should all end this week, but something tells me more shit will be getting thrown against more walls for the next several weeks if not months and years. No one has said dissent should be silenced. Oh, except for Trump who fires anyone he can who dissents from him and threatens everyone else from his party that dissents with political repercussions (and some creative name-calling which MB loves I’m sure).
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Post by bob on Jan 3, 2021 17:12:03 GMT -5
Yes the Biden Covidian cult believes all dissent should be silenced, "debunked" or removed from the internet. Zenny what are you working for the Biden ministry of truth? bob, Trump and his enablers have been throwing shit against the wall for two months now, the courts have slapped them down at every turn, the states have all certified their results, and Trump’s own AG said there is nothing there. It should all end this week, but something tells me more shit will be getting thrown are more walls for the next several weeks. No one has said dissent should be silenced. Oh, except for Trump who fires anyone he can who dissents from him and threatens everyone else from his party that dissents with political repercussions. OK just the technocratic lords of the internet Google, youtube, FB, Twitter etc censor, label and delete content they disagree with.
We are supposed to have 1st amendment rights to free speech. Debate is healthy. Yet the internet oligarchs want to silence dissent.
In 2001, 2005, and 2017 Democrats challenged the electoral vote count and I don't remember republicans blowing a gasket over it.
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Post by ZenMaster on Jan 3, 2021 17:26:50 GMT -5
bob, Trump and his enablers have been throwing shit against the wall for two months now, the courts have slapped them down at every turn, the states have all certified their results, and Trump’s own AG said there is nothing there. It should all end this week, but something tells me more shit will be getting thrown are more walls for the next several weeks. No one has said dissent should be silenced. Oh, except for Trump who fires anyone he can who dissents from him and threatens everyone else from his party that dissents with political repercussions. OK just the technocratic lords of the internet Google, youtube, FB, Twitter etc censor, label and delete content they disagree with.
We are supposed to have 1st amendment rights to free speech. Debate is healthy. Yet the internet oligarchs want to silence dissent.
In 2001, 2005, and 2017 Democrats challenged the electoral vote count and I don't remember republicans blowing a gasket over it.
Your opinion. Mine is that yes, debate can be heathy and there has been plenty of it but this not about “debate” anymore...the votes are in, the recounts have happened, court challenges have been heard and adjudicated, and the results have been certified. It is now only about trying to find a way to usurp the will of the people and stay in power. As for social media, Trump tweets so much blatantly false and intentionally misleading info that he forced the social media companies to do something about it. Has nothing to do with “silencing dissent”, there is plenty of dissent to be followed/consumed/shared on all the social channels. And if you think anything that happened in 2001, 2005 and 2017 with respect to election results is comparable to what is happening now, you should do some more research.
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Post by promontoryrider on Jan 3, 2021 18:12:26 GMT -5
OK just the technocratic lords of the internet Google, youtube, FB, Twitter etc censor, label and delete content they disagree with.
We are supposed to have 1st amendment rights to free speech. Debate is healthy. Yet the internet oligarchs want to silence dissent.
In 2001, 2005, and 2017 Democrats challenged the electoral vote count and I don't remember republicans blowing a gasket over it.
Your opinion. Mine is that yes, debate can be heathy and there has been plenty of it but this not about “debate” anymore...the votes are in, the recounts have happened, court challenges have been heard and adjudicated, and the results have been certified. It is now only about trying to find a way to usurp the will of the people and stay in power. As for social media, Trump tweets so much blatantly false and intentionally misleading info that he forced the social media companies to do something about it. Has nothing to do with “silencing dissent”, there is plenty of dissent to be followed/consumed/shared on all the social channels. And if you think anything that happened in 2001, 2005 and 2017 with respect to election results is comparable to what is happening now, you should do some more research. Right 2001, 2005, and 2017 were different, no where near as fraudulent!!
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Post by ZenMaster on Jan 3, 2021 18:20:44 GMT -5
Your opinion. Mine is that yes, debate can be heathy and there has been plenty of it but this not about “debate” anymore...the votes are in, the recounts have happened, court challenges have been heard and adjudicated, and the results have been certified. It is now only about trying to find a way to usurp the will of the people and stay in power. As for social media, Trump tweets so much blatantly false and intentionally misleading info that he forced the social media companies to do something about it. Has nothing to do with “silencing dissent”, there is plenty of dissent to be followed/consumed/shared on all the social channels. And if you think anything that happened in 2001, 2005 and 2017 with respect to election results is comparable to what is happening now, you should do some more research. Right 2001, 2005, and 2017 were different, no where near as fraudulent!! There is no evidence to support such a claim, as 60 or so courts cases in the last two months have proven. It’s all about staying in power despite the vote count, Trump said it himself today: "So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have."
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Post by Machski on Jan 3, 2021 18:52:27 GMT -5
Look, Trump is just a spoiled brat throwing a tantrum right now. Focus on the important parts, Congress overturned a Veto of his for the first time during his Presidency. The tide has turned against him. Anything he tries now is just background noise, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. MB is correct, go skiing and just let the pieces fall as they will. All will be fine and we can all take account of what went down a year from now or so. Totally disagree with this sentiment, Mach. He is still the president and we have current members of Congress supporting his tactics to steal an election he lost by subverting the votes of millions of Americans. This will have ripple effects that we can’t even fathom yet. And funny that you used the man behind the curtain line from the Wizard of Oz, since it was actually said by the man behind the curtain in an attempt to avoid being revealed as perpetrator of a major fraud against his own people. 😂 Ignore how this is all playing out if you want, that’s your choice. But after all the banter in the run up to this election, the “shut up and go skiing” response from both of you is rather weak, IMO. You guys should be like wheelie and just avoid this thread if that’s really how you feel. Sorry, our sentiments are close, it's how we're dealing with them that is different. Nothing I can do will change DJT's behavior or that of his few, remaining loyalists. What I DO KNOW is that he doesn't have near enough left to put up any real challenge. So he can claw and scrape all he wants, he's on the way out in a few weeks time. There may be lasting issues that remain from all this, but only time will tell. As I said, we wont know how this affects things moving forward for some time, so let this noise play out, we'll all move on and in a year we can take stock of what if any lasting damage has been caused. Because none of us are in position to do anything about this. If there were a real chance some of this shit would work, I'd be more concerned. Since there isn't really a chance hell freezes over here, I'll let it ride and for now feel this will become a footnote in history.
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Post by ZenMaster on Jan 3, 2021 19:05:50 GMT -5
Totally disagree with this sentiment, Mach. He is still the president and we have current members of Congress supporting his tactics to steal an election he lost by subverting the votes of millions of Americans. This will have ripple effects that we can’t even fathom yet. And funny that you used the man behind the curtain line from the Wizard of Oz, since it was actually said by the man behind the curtain in an attempt to avoid being revealed as perpetrator of a major fraud against his own people. 😂 Ignore how this is all playing out if you want, that’s your choice. But after all the banter in the run up to this election, the “shut up and go skiing” response from both of you is rather weak, IMO. You guys should be like wheelie and just avoid this thread if that’s really how you feel. Sorry, our sentiments are close, it's how we're dealing with them that is different. Nothing I can do will change DJT's behavior or that of his few, remaining loyalists. What I DO KNOW is that he doesn't have near enough left to put up any real challenge. So he can claw and scrape all he wants, he's on the way out in a few weeks time. There may be lasting issues that remain from all this, but only time will tell. As I said, we wont know how this affects things moving forward for some time, so let this noise play out, we'll all move on and in a year we can take stock of what if any lasting damage has been caused. Because none of us are in position to do anything about this. If there were a real chance some of this shit would work, I'd be more concerned. Since there isn't really a chance hell freezes over here, I'll let it ride and for now feel this will become a footnote in history. Well, I do see it differently. You, I think, are basically saying it doesn’t matter what Trump and his supporters do now because they have no shot at success. I am saying even if they no shot at success that it does matter what they are doing, and will likely have some long-lasting repercussions. If you won’t want to talk about and debate it and just let it play out then that’s fine, but the fact that you are reading and replying to this thread tells me that you do want to talk about and debate it. 😁
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Jan 3, 2021 19:08:00 GMT -5
Sorry, our sentiments are close, it's how we're dealing with them that is different. Nothing I can do will change DJT's behavior or that of his few, remaining loyalists. What I DO KNOW is that he doesn't have near enough left to put up any real challenge. So he can claw and scrape all he wants, he's on the way out in a few weeks time. There may be lasting issues that remain from all this, but only time will tell. As I said, we wont know how this affects things moving forward for some time, so let this noise play out, we'll all move on and in a year we can take stock of what if any lasting damage has been caused. Because none of us are in position to do anything about this. If there were a real chance some of this shit would work, I'd be more concerned. Since there isn't really a chance hell freezes over here, I'll let it ride and for now feel this will become a footnote in history. Well, I do see it differently. You, I think, are basically saying it doesn’t matter what Trump and his supporters do now because they have no shot at success. I am saying even if they no shot at success that it does matter what they are doing, and will likely have some long-lasting repercussions. If you won’t want to talk about and debate it and just let it play out then that’s fine, but the fact that you are reading and replying to this thread tells me that you do want to talk about and debate it. 😁
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Jan 3, 2021 19:08:25 GMT -5
Or he is just tired out your posts filling up this board.
Think about it....
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Post by ZenMaster on Jan 3, 2021 19:27:37 GMT -5
Or he is just tired out your posts filling up this board. Think about it.... Or maybe not and he said what he actually meant. But if this is how you feel, then please just stay in the other threads and stop coming to this one and whining about it all the time. It’s the politics thread that you advocated for, but if you or anyone else doesn’t want to read or participate in political debate, then just don’t open the thread. It’s not hard, no one is forcing you to view this thread, never mind read and reply. Think about it. Or, as I have said many times before, Mach can just delete (or lock) the politics thread, which wouldn’t bother me in the least. Never had a politics thread before 2020 so maybe it is time to throw this thread into the smoldering dumpster fire that was 2020, would probably make the forum better overall going forward, IMO. You don’t need to reply to this.
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Post by what is hip ? on Jan 3, 2021 19:33:25 GMT -5
WTF, you guys have a bunch of lifts on hold / broken down or something? winky winky
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Post by hawk on Jan 4, 2021 8:32:44 GMT -5
bob, Trump and his enablers have been throwing shit against the wall for two months now, the courts have slapped them down at every turn, the states have all certified their results, and Trump’s own AG said there is nothing there. It should all end this week, but something tells me more shit will be getting thrown are more walls for the next several weeks. No one has said dissent should be silenced. Oh, except for Trump who fires anyone he can who dissents from him and threatens everyone else from his party that dissents with political repercussions. OK just the technocratic lords of the internet Google, youtube, FB, Twitter etc censor, label and delete content they disagree with.
We are supposed to have 1st amendment rights to free speech. Debate is healthy. Yet the internet oligarchs want to silence dissent.
In 2001, 2005, and 2017 Democrats challenged the electoral vote count and I don't remember republicans blowing a gasket over it.
Bob what you are saying is wrong. Google, youtube, FB, Twitter do not care what your political views are. They monitor your political views and give you content that is like minded to your position. That way they get more clicks which is the only thing they want and what the advertisers that pay for your clicks want. You have to understand how this all works. I know that all you skeptics will poo-poo this but it's a very good watch. I have many software friends in the business that have seen this first hand a agree with this. You should watch to understand what it is all about. It totally explains why we all have increasingly opposed views. The Social Dilemma
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