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Post by Barker on Nov 16, 2020 10:49:40 GMT -5
Everyone is saying arrest is the last resort, and they try to talk to, educate, etc. but the police can arrest someone. From Mills' Executive Order "This Order may also be enforced by any governmental department or official that regulates licenses, permits or otherwise authorizes the operation or occupancy of eating establishments, bars or tasting rooms, lodging operations and accommodations, businesses, buildings, parks and campgrounds. Municipalities are authorized to enforce the use of face coverings on streets and sidewalks, in parks and other public spaces where individuals are gathering and not able to maintain at least six feet of physical distance from one another, and to enforce the gathering limits. A violation of this Order may be construed to be a violation of any such license, permit and other authorization to which pertinent penalties may be assessed. Pursuant to 37-B M.R.S.A. section 786, this Order may also be enforced by law enforcement as necessary." Here's the section cited: §786. Enforcement 1. Law enforcement officers. Duly appointed law enforcement officers of local, state and sheriffs' organizations are empowered to enforce any of the provisions of this chapter or any rules promulgated thereunder in times of an emergency or during authorized alerts, including partial or full mobilization necessary to carry out section 742. Failure to comply with any just or reasonable order relative to enforcement from a duly appointed law enforcement officer is a Class E crime. 2. Arrest powers. Duly appointed law enforcement officers of local, state and sheriffs' organizations shall have the power to arrest persons found in violation of any provision of this chapter or any rules promulgated in times of emergency to carry out section 742.
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Post by rippy on Nov 16, 2020 10:51:37 GMT -5
Mills mandates are unenforceable, which in my opinion just makes them stupid. Her strategy is to scare like 3 out of 10 MA people from coming to ME and calling it good. If she really thinks this is a huge risk, she should set up checkpoints at the ME border. Anyone that gets busted for breaking these mandates really isn’t that bright. She should be more worried about the locals in her home county. I’ve been back and forth to SL about 8 times and I can tell you the only people that are wearing masks in Franklin County are the folks from It's the same in VT Rippy. The locals feel that they don't have to wear masks and look at White, yellow or Blue plates as covid invaders. I believe it. We have family in Brandon that we were going to visit a couple of months ago but were told that they weren’t seeing anyone from MA. We’re like the family lepers!!🤣🤣 People with clear, sensible critical thinking skills are non-existent in our society today. Everyone feels they need to adopt whatever extreme POV is in vogue.
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Post by promontoryrider on Nov 16, 2020 10:59:42 GMT -5
I agree w you..."guidance" has always been an odd word for me. Same w suggestion. Thanks for the guidance and suggestions, I chose not to follow....hopefully people can just behave and like you said ME residents are as guilty of it as anyone. Just go to SRBC and see....Went there Saturday night all employees were masked and I would say 90% of customers who came in or moved about in the restaurant were masked. Never felt unsafe.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Nov 16, 2020 11:13:41 GMT -5
I agree w you..."guidance" has always been an odd word for me. Same w suggestion. Thanks for the guidance and suggestions, I chose not to follow....hopefully people can just behave and like you said ME residents are as guilty of it as anyone. Just go to SRBC and see....Went there Saturday night all employees were masked and I would say 90% of customers who came in or moved about in the restaurant were masked. Never felt unsafe. Thats great to hear, now we have the Foodliner to worry about.
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Post by sitzmark on Nov 16, 2020 12:28:12 GMT -5
I agree w you..."guidance" has always been an odd word for me. Same w suggestion. Thanks for the guidance and suggestions, I chose not to follow....hopefully people can just behave and like you said ME residents are as guilty of it as anyone. Just go to SRBC and see.... It’s kind of funny that if you follow a lot of the ME social media and MSM sources, you’d think that everyone in MA is running around with Covid 19 and that somehow ME is a clean environment that’s being infected by MA residents. I live about 20 miles north of Boston and nobody in my family or circle of friends even know anyone that’s tested positive. I same. I know MB and Mach ... think they said they have 2nd or 3rd degree connection but via university and unknown transmission. The irony re MA, eh? For the most part covid is an illness that hits the lower economic scale disproportionately. Special circumstances apply - front line medical, essential workers, etc. My guess is for the majority of us on this forum we are fortunate enough to not live/work in confined environments and can afford to "sidestep" the risk. Fairly typical (stereotypical?) profile of those who ski. MA's "weakness" is a much higher level of international cross-traffic and density (opportunity for spread). A high percentage of affluent MA residents are work-from-home and pretty well "isolated" from covid. Vaccine progress looks promising so maybe (hopefully!) in 9-12 months we'll be sitting in a much better place. In the mean time day by day and try to keep from tripping the alarm bells.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Nov 16, 2020 12:31:11 GMT -5
It’s kind of funny that if you follow a lot of the ME social media and MSM sources, you’d think that everyone in MA is running around with Covid 19 and that somehow ME is a clean environment that’s being infected by MA residents. I live about 20 miles north of Boston and nobody in my family or circle of friends even know anyone that’s tested positive. I same. I know MB and Mach ... think they said they have 2nd or 3rd degree connection but via university and unknown transmission. The irony re MA, eh? For the most part covid is an illness that hits the lower economic scale disproportionately. Special circumstances apply - front line medical, essential workers, etc. My guess is for the majority of us on this forum we are fortunate enough to not live/work in confined environments and can afford to "sidestep" the risk. Fairly typical (stereotypical?) profile of those who ski. MA's "weakness" is a much higher level of international cross-traffic and density (opportunity for spread). A high percentage of affluent MA residents are work-from-home and pretty well "isolated" from covid. Vaccine progress looks promising so maybe (hopefully!) in 9-12 months we'll be sitting in a much better place. In the mean time day by day and try to keep from tripping the alarm bells. And college kids....MBJr has had as have 75 of his fraternity brothers. Lil MsMB has not had but 25 of her sorority sisters have had. Then again, they are poor college kids.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 16, 2020 12:51:50 GMT -5
FWIW, I know about a half dozen people in Mass who have had it, including a member of my wife’s family who died.
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Post by wheelie on Nov 16, 2020 12:55:53 GMT -5
Everyone is saying arrest is the last resort, and they try to talk to, educate, etc. but the police can arrest someone. From Mills' Executive Order "This Order may also be enforced by any governmental department or official that regulates licenses, permits or otherwise authorizes the operation or occupancy of eating establishments, bars or tasting rooms, lodging operations and accommodations, businesses, buildings, parks and campgrounds. Municipalities are authorized to enforce the use of face coverings on streets and sidewalks, in parks and other public spaces where individuals are gathering and not able to maintain at least six feet of physical distance from one another, and to enforce the gathering limits. A violation of this Order may be construed to be a violation of any such license, permit and other authorization to which pertinent penalties may be assessed. Pursuant to 37-B M.R.S.A. section 786, this Order may also be enforced by law enforcement as necessary." Here's the section cited: §786. Enforcement 1. Law enforcement officers. Duly appointed law enforcement officers of local, state and sheriffs' organizations are empowered to enforce any of the provisions of this chapter or any rules promulgated thereunder in times of an emergency or during authorized alerts, including partial or full mobilization necessary to carry out section 742. Failure to comply with any just or reasonable order relative to enforcement from a duly appointed law enforcement officer is a Class E crime. 2. Arrest powers. Duly appointed law enforcement officers of local, state and sheriffs' organizations shall have the power to arrest persons found in violation of any provision of this chapter or any rules promulgated in times of emergency to carry out section 742. Class E has $1000 fine and 180 days in jail Close enough to felony
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Post by wheelie on Nov 16, 2020 12:57:23 GMT -5
FWIW, I know about a half dozen people in Mass who have had it, including a member of my wife’s family who died. I know close to that from Maine. What’s your point?
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Post by sitzmark on Nov 16, 2020 12:59:15 GMT -5
FWIW, I know about a half dozen people in Mass who have had it, including a member of my wife’s family who died. And I know Zenny ... so I not same I guess ...
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Post by rippy on Nov 16, 2020 13:22:03 GMT -5
It’s kind of funny that if you follow a lot of the ME social media and MSM sources, you’d think that everyone in MA is running around with Covid 19 and that somehow ME is a clean environment that’s being infected by MA residents. I live about 20 miles north of Boston and nobody in my family or circle of friends even know anyone that’s tested positive. I same. I know MB and Mach ... think they said they have 2nd or 3rd degree connection but via university and unknown transmission. The irony re MA, eh? For the most part covid is an illness that hits the lower economic scale disproportionately. Special circumstances apply - front line medical, essential workers, etc. My guess is for the majority of us on this forum we are fortunate enough to not live/work in confined environments and can afford to "sidestep" the risk. Fairly typical (stereotypical?) profile of those who ski. MA's "weakness" is a much higher level of international cross-traffic and density (opportunity for spread). A high percentage of affluent MA residents are work-from-home and pretty well "isolated" from covid. Vaccine progress looks promising so maybe (hopefully!) in 9-12 months we'll be sitting in a much better place. In the mean time day by day and try to keep from tripping the alarm bells. I suspect the 45 colleges in greater Boston don’t help the stats.
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Post by patroller on Nov 16, 2020 13:37:58 GMT -5
With routine surveillance testing many of the Universities are doing great.
Since Aug 3 we've done 165,000 tests w/ only 80 positive = 0.05% for all 3 campuses
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Post by rippy on Nov 16, 2020 13:47:38 GMT -5
I suspect there’s a lot of behind the scenes lobbying taking place that will give season pass holders some protection and allow ski resort employees from MA unrestricted access to their jobs. Maybe we’ll hear something soon.
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Post by Machski on Nov 16, 2020 14:06:34 GMT -5
Only folks I know closely beyond those family members of some of our board members that have had are my brother and his family. All came through fine and most asymptomatic thankfully, vector there was my nephew's hockey team. The contact trace was the only way they knew to get tested and find out yes, they had it. Otherwise would not have known, which scared them more than the fact they had it actually.
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Post by bob on Nov 16, 2020 14:43:41 GMT -5
It’s kind of funny that if you follow a lot of the ME social media and MSM sources, you’d think that everyone in MA is running around with Covid 19 and that somehow ME is a clean environment that’s being infected by MA residents. I live about 20 miles north of Boston and nobody in my family or circle of friends even know anyone that’s tested positive. I same. I know MB and Mach ... think they said they have 2nd or 3rd degree connection but via university and unknown transmission. The irony re MA, eh? For the most part covid is an illness that hits the lower economic scale disproportionately. Special circumstances apply - front line medical, essential workers, etc. My guess is for the majority of us on this forum we are fortunate enough to not live/work in confined environments and can afford to "sidestep" the risk. Fairly typical (stereotypical?) profile of those who ski. MA's "weakness" is a much higher level of international cross-traffic and density (opportunity for spread). A high percentage of affluent MA residents are work-from-home and pretty well "isolated" from covid. Vaccine progress looks promising so maybe (hopefully!) in 9-12 months we'll be sitting in a much better place. In the mean time day by day and try to keep from tripping the alarm bells. I said it this summer and will reiterate it. Mills is a closet lefty racist and wants to keep Maine lilly white.
The minority community that cannot afford 2 homes are disproportionately affected. Most minorities do not have that kind of wealth or keyboard warrior WFH cushy jobs.
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