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Post by MonkeyBrook on Nov 15, 2020 20:07:21 GMT -5
First, you don’t know what I own...so please do not judge me. Second, where did I say I agreed w her? I do not have to agree with everything but respect the difficult job she has. I just feel at the end of the day skiing is a meaningless activity compared to all the other shit we are dealing with. Governor Mills has given you a path to come to Maine. If you disagree give her office a call. I am not her protector. Just a convened citizen of Maine. As to where you said you agreed with her, "she has done an amazing job" pretty directly communicates that. "Governor mills has given you a path to Maine" is pretty funny seeing I live here, a couple towns over from you. And no I dont know what you own... but following this board for over a decade, you haven't mentioned anything other than the pharmaceutical industry. Sorry if you do in fact have a side business that is suffering as a result of dictator mills orders, I can relate... The only reason I posted on this is that you replied to Mach like we should have uniform support for Mills, but she is ruining thousands of lives, and whether that is worthwhile is at the very least debateable. Sorry again, no where did I say we needed universal support. I think you are using absolute statements when trying to interpret what I said. I do think she has done an amazing job, not an easy job. You are entitled to your thinking. All I am saying is people can come to Maine. No one is banned. Is it harder, yes. I do feel it should be. And I do feel there should be some guidelines. Do I support a lockdown, no I do not. But there is no right answer and Gov Mills has made decisions. Some people support, some do not. I think we all need to find a way to co exist. PS: RI a state that I love and where I spend a ton of time has 200k more population than Maine yet has 10x the Covid deaths. Please keep that in perspective. And I have hundreds of friends and families there who are upset that Gina R has placed similar restrictions on the people of RI. It’s no different in many states.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 15, 2020 20:45:15 GMT -5
I think you are using absolute statements when trying to interpret what I said. You should be able to relate to that.
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Post by wheelie on Nov 15, 2020 20:52:19 GMT -5
RI a state that I love and where I spend a ton of time has 200k more population than Maine yet has 10x the Covid deaths. Please keep that in perspective. And I have hundreds of friends and families there who are upset that Gina R has placed similar restrictions on the people of RI. It’s no different in many states. More to do with RI being the 3rd most densely populated state and Maine being 43rd than anything either governor has done.
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Post by Machski on Nov 15, 2020 21:36:17 GMT -5
So I see emperor Mills has made it a class E Felony and a $1000 fine for violating her quarantine orders. Absolutely nuts, if they start charging folks with that, will absolutely kill SR and SL. Poor Saddleback, might kill them before they get themselves off the bench. Mach what’s w the bashing on Mills? She has done an amazing job. There is more to this than skiing. If you are that upset stick in NH. Put in restrictions via executive order is fine, tie a fine to it if you think it will help. But to make this a felony on something that has not even gone through the normal lawmaking progress is an over reach of power MB. Sorry, calling it the way I see it. It doesn't affect me as yet, since NH is exempt but yeah, if she extends this to our state (And I fully expect she will) I will be staying in NH. We'll have to wait and see how this plays out this winter, we can better debate how well Mills did after that.
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Post by wheelie on Nov 15, 2020 21:42:15 GMT -5
So I see emperor Mills has made it a class E Felony and a $1000 fine for violating her quarantine orders. Absolutely nuts, if they start charging folks with that, will absolutely kill SR and SL. Poor Saddleback, might kill them before they get themselves off the bench. Saddleback is probably in the best position of any of the big 3 if the tourists can’t come.
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Post by Machski on Nov 15, 2020 21:50:27 GMT -5
So I see emperor Mills has made it a class E Felony and a $1000 fine for violating her quarantine orders. Absolutely nuts, if they start charging folks with that, will absolutely kill SR and SL. Poor Saddleback, might kill them before they get themselves off the bench. Saddleback is probably in the best position of any of the big 3 if the tourists can’t come. Maybe, Arctaris made some big investments already. That will require much higher skier visit numbers which these restrictions will possibly crush for this year.
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Post by sitzmark on Nov 16, 2020 6:09:36 GMT -5
Sorry again, no where did I say we needed universal support. I think you are using absolute statements when trying to interpret what I said. I do think she has done an amazing job, not an easy job. You are entitled to your thinking. All I am saying is people can come to Maine. No one is banned. Is it harder, yes. I do feel it should be. And I do feel there should be some guidelines. Do I support a lockdown, no I do not. But there is no right answer and Gov Mills has made decisions. Some people support, some do not. I think we all need to find a way to co exist. PS: RI a state that I love and where I spend a ton of time has 200k more population than Maine yet has 10x the Covid deaths. Please keep that in perspective. And I have hundreds of friends and families there who are upset that Gina R has placed similar restrictions on the people of RI. It’s no different in many states. This. Gov officials are attempting to do something that positively helps the people they serve. Right/wrong? - the measure depends on individual situations. There's no preventing deaths now. At the earliest stages there would have been - stopping all interstate travel had a chance to keep C19 out of Maine. Now the only possibility is trying to slow the spread until "herd immunity" - either through natural means or vaccine. Vaccine delivers HI without the risk of infection at individual level and greater spread on the public health scale. I've had to make similar decisions as part of leadership teams for MASR and our HOA. It's a minefield that has no one answer. Ron S manages properties for us. In the beginning (Mar/April) he asked that we not allow out-of-state owners to use their properties - especially MA owners. His crews were uncomfortable and threatening not to work or quit. As a BOD we decided we probably didn't have the legal authority to prevent people from accessing their property. Nor did we want to. Instead we set strict guidelines (primary following CDC) for the property and provided detailed information to owners on how to respect the safety of other owners and the work crews around the property. Perfect solution - no. Working - yes (so far). Ron happy - owners happy. This all before all the SRBC "blow up". MASR same thing - how to deliver programming and not put staff, volunteers, and participant-athletes at risk. Especially participant-athletes and volunteers, a very large number who have co-morbidities/high risk. No "fun" decisions. For every person who likes a decision there are others who hate it. To my earlier post on testing ... no sure way to set a restriction that you know prevents people/groups from being infected. It can help but no guarantee. ME, VT, and NH have the oldest populations in the USA. ME has the largest percentage of population with a disability. The leadership is trying to make choices with this in mind - their state's long term health and economy in mind. Everyone has learned that total lock down has very adverse short and long term ramifications, so trying to make decisions that prevent having to go that route again. ... c'mon vaccines and hopefully give us some level of control to end to this nightmare.
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Post by rippy on Nov 16, 2020 8:20:15 GMT -5
Mills mandates are unenforceable, which in my opinion just makes them stupid. Her strategy is to scare like 3 out of 10 MA people from coming to ME and calling it good. If she really thinks this is a huge risk, she should set up checkpoints at the ME border. Anyone that gets busted for breaking these mandates really isn’t that bright. She should be more worried about the locals in her home county. I’ve been back and forth to SL about 8 times and I can tell you the only people that are wearing masks in Franklin County are the folks from MA.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Nov 16, 2020 9:07:05 GMT -5
IMO, its not about whether or not they are enforceable more about human decency. All states have or will have restrictions. Yes, no way will they enforce w law enforcement. They are not laws, they are guidelines that all are being asked to follow and support as we work through this madness.
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Post by rippy on Nov 16, 2020 9:35:24 GMT -5
IMO, its not about whether or not they are enforceable more about human decency. All states have or will have restrictions. Yes, no way will they enforce w law enforcement. They are not laws, they are guidelines that all are being asked to follow and support as we work through this madness. [ Just my opinion, but making rules that you can’t monitor/ enforce are just a waste of time...not just on this issue, but in general. Agree that everyone should use common sense decency protocols, but does she think people in ME do and people in MA don’t ?? This isn’t an issue for me...I move up to the Loaf for the winter after Christmas and I’ll just get tested before I go. Frankly, I’m more concerned about the “freedoms” people running around Kingfield and Farmington without masks.
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Post by wheelie on Nov 16, 2020 9:59:13 GMT -5
IMO, its not about whether or not they are enforceable more about human decency. All states have or will have restrictions. Yes, no way will they enforce w law enforcement. They are not laws, they are guidelines that all are being asked to follow and support as we work through this madness. Pretty sure if its a felony its a law
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Nov 16, 2020 9:59:21 GMT -5
I agree w you..."guidance" has always been an odd word for me. Same w suggestion. Thanks for the guidance and suggestions, I chose not to follow....hopefully people can just behave and like you said ME residents are as guilty of it as anyone. Just go to SRBC and see....
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Post by hawk on Nov 16, 2020 10:19:00 GMT -5
Mills mandates are unenforceable, which in my opinion just makes them stupid. Her strategy is to scare like 3 out of 10 MA people from coming to ME and calling it good. If she really thinks this is a huge risk, she should set up checkpoints at the ME border. Anyone that gets busted for breaking these mandates really isn’t that bright. She should be more worried about the locals in her home county. I’ve been back and forth to SL about 8 times and I can tell you the only people that are wearing masks in Franklin County are the folks from It's the same in VT Rippy. The locals feel that they don't have to wear masks and look at White, yellow or Blue plates as covid invaders.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Nov 16, 2020 10:24:26 GMT -5
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Post by rippy on Nov 16, 2020 10:42:22 GMT -5
I agree w you..."guidance" has always been an odd word for me. Same w suggestion. Thanks for the guidance and suggestions, I chose not to follow....hopefully people can just behave and like you said ME residents are as guilty of it as anyone. Just go to SRBC and see.... It’s kind of funny that if you follow a lot of the ME social media and MSM sources, you’d think that everyone in MA is running around with Covid 19 and that somehow ME is a clean environment that’s being infected by MA residents. I live about 20 miles north of Boston and nobody in my family or circle of friends even know anyone that’s tested positive.
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