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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 12, 2020 8:59:37 GMT -5
Since you like to ask this question, I’ll ask it of you...against the backdrop of the US having its highest daily death count since May yesterday and by all indications the spread is accelerating, what specifically would you be advising Biden to do when he assumes office? With a less than 2% chance of dying, I would take my chances. I don't understand the fixation of needing the government to dictate what you can and can't do. If you are old, at high risk, or scared then by all means don't go outside, don't go out in public. This whole fairytale of being told we need to stay home for four to six weeks and that we will be compensated is a load of shit, really. Nothing is going to stop it or slow it or whatever you want to call it. People are generally well within a few days and 98% do not die. I don't get why this is such a big deal. What is really going on "behind the scenes" that the government and media are deciding to make this the "look over here" story that it has become? So the fed govt should do nothing? Really, Mach? Come on.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Nov 12, 2020 9:25:50 GMT -5
Zenny, I will share my thoughts again:
*If you are old, protect yourself *If you are young, be smart, diligent *Wear masks when in public *Get tested if you think you have been exposed *Get outside, exercise, eat healthy
Its not that hard. And I do not think Fed Government should be engaged, what would they do? Threaten me w a fine for not wearing a mask?
We went to Scales in Portland last night. No issue. We parked car on Commercial St, put masks on, walked into restaurant...were greeted and seated right away. Tables were spaced. We had awesome meal for MsMB b day and returned home. I am not support closing down all businesses for 4-6 weeks. I have friends, as we all do, with small businesses that need to stay open. And I have (3) kids whose mental health I am worried about...closing shit down and locking people up will not help, it will delay and when the 4-6 weeks is over...then what? It all scales up again. I am prioritizing business/economy/mental health over the deaths of old at risk people...sorry, my call. I think it is easier to protect the 2% dying vs the former things.
I will say that I do not think there should be fans at college football games like ND v Clemson this weekend, how the hell is that allowed to happen.
Zenny, I think you need to understand that everything you say/think is not shared by others. Everyone is in a different position/situation. Maybe a bit less judging would make your statement/posts more credible.
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Post by rippy on Nov 12, 2020 9:44:34 GMT -5
Zenny, I will share my thoughts again: *If you are old, protect yourself *If you are young, be smart, diligent *Wear masks when in public *Get tested if you think you have been exposed *Get outside, exercise, eat healthy Its not that hard. And I do not think Fed Government should be engaged, what would they do? Threaten me w a fine for not wearing a mask? We went to Scales in Portland last night. No issue. We parked car on Commercial St, put masks on, walked into restaurant...were greeted and seated right away. Tables were spaced. We had awesome meal for MsMB b day and returned home. I am not support closing down all businesses for 4-6 weeks. I have friends, as we all do, with small businesses that need to stay open. And I have (3) kids whose mental health I am worried about...closing shit down and locking people up will not help, it will delay and when the 4-6 weeks is over...then what? It all scales up again. I am prioritizing business/economy/mental health over the deaths of old at risk people...sorry, my call. I think it is easier to protect the 2% dying vs the former things. I will say that I do not think there should be fans at college football games like ND v Clemson this weekend, how the hell is that allowed to happen. Zenny, I think you need to understand that everything you say/think is not shared by others. Everyone is in a different position/situation. Maybe a bit less judging would make your statement/posts more credible. Probably the best post on this topic. Just use fucking common sense. People like Zenny crave an audience, so he just posts a bunch of bullshit that he thinks will attract attention.
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Post by wheelie on Nov 12, 2020 9:58:30 GMT -5
With a less than 2% chance of dying, I would take my chances. I don't understand the fixation of needing the government to dictate what you can and can't do. If you are old, at high risk, or scared then by all means don't go outside, don't go out in public. This whole fairytale of being told we need to stay home for four to six weeks and that we will be compensated is a load of shit, really. Nothing is going to stop it or slow it or whatever you want to call it. People are generally well within a few days and 98% do not die. I don't get why this is such a big deal. What is really going on "behind the scenes" that the government and media are deciding to make this the "look over here" story that it has become? So the fed govt should do nothing? Really, Mach? Come on. How effective will a lock down be when “70M+ deplorables” (probably a few governors) refuse to comply?
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Nov 12, 2020 10:01:46 GMT -5
So the fed govt should do nothing? Really, Mach? Come on. How effective will a lock down be when “70M+ deplorables” (probably a few governors) refuse to comply? Don’t forget the sycophants
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Post by hawk on Nov 12, 2020 10:12:01 GMT -5
The virus is coming back. Shutdowns won't be tolerated. The general public is in denial that there is any risk. It is totally irrelevant what anybody says or thinks. People are going to get sick, Hospitals will get overwhelmed and some will die. I pray to god that the people that die are not because I made them sick. The blame will be doled out later. This is the reality of what is going to happen. Really no sense in debating this further. Look I put this all to bed for you guys. Now go back to politics. This isn't the covid thread anyway.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Nov 12, 2020 10:15:04 GMT -5
The virus is coming back. Shutdowns won't be tolerated. The general public is in denial that there is any risk. It is totally irrelevant what anybody says or thinks. People are going to get sick, Hospitals will get overwhelmed and some will die. I pray to god that the people that die are not because I made them sick. The blame will be doled out later. This is the reality of what is going to happen. Really no sense in debating this further. Look I put this all to bed for you guys. Now go back to politics. This isn't the covid thread anyway. I think these topics are intimately connected seeing as how this got started this am. Agreed no one knows. But in the end the world wide pandemic is Trumps fault. Right?
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 12, 2020 10:18:30 GMT -5
Zenny, I will share my thoughts again: *If you are old, protect yourself *If you are young, be smart, diligent *Wear masks when in public *Get tested if you think you have been exposed *Get outside, exercise, eat healthy Its not that hard. And I do not think Fed Government should be engaged, what would they do? Threaten me w a fine for not wearing a mask? We went to Scales in Portland last night. No issue. We parked car on Commercial St, put masks on, walked into restaurant...were greeted and seated right away. Tables were spaced. We had awesome meal for MsMB b day and returned home. I am not support closing down all businesses for 4-6 weeks. I have friends, as we all do, with small businesses that need to stay open. And I have (3) kids whose mental health I am worried about...closing shit down and locking people up will not help, it will delay and when the 4-6 weeks is over...then what? It all scales up again. I am prioritizing business/economy/mental health over the deaths of old at risk people...sorry, my call. I think it is easier to protect the 2% dying vs the former things. I will say that I do not think there should be fans at college football games like ND v Clemson this weekend, how the hell is that allowed to happen. Zenny, I think you need to understand that everything you say/think is not shared by others. Everyone is in a different position/situation. Maybe a bit less judging would make your statement/posts more credible. Lots to unpack here. I agree with your list in terms of what we should all be doing. But my question is what should the fed govt be doing. Sounds like your answer to that is the same as Mach’s which is nothing. Am I correct about that? What about state and local govt, do they have a role to play or should they also be doing nothing? You question fans at footballs and say it should not be allowed to happen, so who makes the call to allow/not allow? The schools? The conferences? The fans themselves? How’s that working? Non-compliance with “suggested” guidelines is a huge problem (even at the White House for crying out loud) and it only takes a few people to create a big problem for others in their communities and beyond, we’ve seen it happen time and again. What do you think should be done about that? Nothing? Your observations from your night out in Portland are valid for that night in Portland, but non-compliance with most of not all the items on your list is rampant elsewhere, I’ve personally seen it within out own state. My observations from shopping at Hannaford in Falmouth, Yarmouth, Gray and Farmington show some real differences. In Falmouth and Yarmouth almost everyone is following the guidelines and I feel very comfortable there for the most part. Totally different story in Gray just a few miles away, and even more so in Franklin County (Farmington) where I spend a fair amount of time, and where at times I have actually been in the minority wearing a mask. So you shouldn’t look around Portland and think that is indicative is what is happening elsewhere in the state of Maine, never mind the rest of the country. As for your judging comment, that’s a joke. Everyone here has been judging since day 1. I have been judged to be a fraud, loser, asshole, you name it. So sorry if I come across as judging, but you are doing it as well, especially with your “you need to understand” comments, as if I don’t understand that. You’re judging, WIH is judging, bob is judging, Mach is judging, Barker is judging, etc. We all bring our own perspectives and form our judgements based on our own views and experiences. Accept that and you’ll be better off. And again, just because I don’t say “in my opinion” or “you have a right to disagree” on every single post doesn’t mean I don’t acknowledge that, it seems like every couple days I have to explain this to you. Lastly, I am not calling for lockdowns, never have. Back to judging, I’ve been judged as a lover of lockdowns which is not true at all. But if that happens, I will comply because I recognize that with freedom comes responsibilities and I take both seriously. I am already taking more precautions than most since I have a high risk individual in my house that I am responsible for. And I along with his teachers and ed techs and occupational therapists are working hard to get him acclimated to mask wearing and distancing so he can be out and about safely (much longer story here, but I know at least some of you know the generalities). So much more I could get into, but that’s more than enough for the judges here to pronounce me guilty of whatever the hell they want.
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Post by wheelie on Nov 12, 2020 10:28:47 GMT -5
So the fed govt should do nothing? Really, Mach? Come on. How effective will a lock down be when “70M+ deplorables” (probably a few governors) refuse to comply? Really hoping Someone has an answer for this? If they have considered this fact then the idea that a 4-6 week shut down solves the problem is just another government lie on par with some of DJT’s whoppers. If they haven’t considered that as reality then they are dumber than DJT. You can agree with that can’t you Zenny? I know government official dishonesty/ineptitude is top on your list to criticize no matter what party it comes from.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 12, 2020 11:15:01 GMT -5
How effective will a lock down be when “70M+ deplorables” (probably a few governors) refuse to comply? Really hoping Someone has an answer for this? If they have considered this fact then the idea that a 4-6 week shut down solves the problem is just another government lie on par with some of DJT’s whoppers. If they haven’t considered that as reality then they are dumber than DJT. You can agree with that can’t you Zenny? I know government official dishonesty/ineptitude is top on your list to criticize no matter what party it comes from. A lockdown advocate would need to answer that for you, and I don’t know if there are any here. That said, if left unchecked, we as a country are headed for a bad place. You can agree with that, can’t you wheelie?
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Post by Barker on Nov 12, 2020 11:50:52 GMT -5
Deaths track cases. Locking down the country is a last resort. If the country implemented universal mask wearing, such as now mandated in Maine, then cases would decline. www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html"Adopting universal masking policies can help avert future lockdowns, especially if combined with other non-pharmaceutical interventions such as social distancing, hand hygiene, and adequate ventilation." "Seldom has so little been asked for so much benefit." - Chris Christie (post Covid)
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Post by promontoryrider on Nov 12, 2020 11:56:07 GMT -5
View AttachmentDeaths track cases. Locking down the country is a last resort. If the country implemented universal mask wearing, such as now mandated in Maine, then cases would decline.www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html"Adopting universal masking policies can help avert future lockdowns, especially if combined with other non-pharmaceutical interventions such as social distancing, hand hygiene, and adequate ventilation." "Seldom has so little been asked for so much benefit." - Chris Christie (post Covid) Thank You Doctor Barker
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 12, 2020 12:03:56 GMT -5
"To win, Mr. Trump must prove systemic fraud, with illegal votes in the tens of thousands. There is no evidence of that so far. Unless some emerges quickly, the president's chances in court will decline precipitously when states start certifying results.” -Karl Rove
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Post by Barker on Nov 12, 2020 12:13:29 GMT -5
He died trying to escape Alcatraz
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Post by wheelie on Nov 12, 2020 12:25:13 GMT -5
"To win, Mr. Trump must prove systemic fraud, with illegal votes in the tens of thousands. There is no evidence of that so far. Unless some emerges quickly, the president's chances in court will decline precipitously when states start certifying results.” -Karl Rove So no comment on the lie and/or fraud of a Biden required shutdown? Neutral my ass
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