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Post by Barker on Nov 7, 2020 6:49:53 GMT -5
Forget Biden’s speech, nothing new to say. Don’t hold your breath waiting for Trump to concede. Instead listen to the president’s lawyer lay it all out. Personally, I enjoyed the commercial breaks most of all. They are at 7 minutes (title insurance) and 11 minutes (cigar shop). Trump has added to his legal team by tapping David Bossie, an adviser who is not a lawyer (but helped bring us Citizens United and the endless campaign money), to lead the legal effort to contest the results in several key states. Enjoy the weekend!
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Post by promontoryrider on Nov 7, 2020 6:53:03 GMT -5
Postmarked by election day is stupid. Your ballot needs to be there by election day if you want it counted The states should have been able to count mailed ballots ahead of election day. Tally them only, NO results released. Then we'd have a winner on election night as we used to. Nothing stopping them from doing so except the individual states themselves. Once again, federal election held hostage to an array of differing state laws/policies. I really don’t think they should allow voting months ahead either. Mail in and absentee voting should be a 7-10 day process prior to Election Day, especially with main stream media suppression and rigged polls.
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Post by dickc49 on Nov 7, 2020 8:57:45 GMT -5
Nothing stopping them from doing so except the individual states themselves. Once again, federal election held hostage to an array of differing state laws/policies. I really don’t think they should allow voting months ahead either. Mail in and absentee voting should be a 7-10 day process prior to Election Day, especially with main stream media suppression and rigged polls. To add to this, there were news reports of people who voted weeks in advance looking on line to find out if they could get a way to change their vote. Not sure of the right Pre election period for in person voting, but any mail ballots need to be absentee, and treated as such. Rules for absentee need to rule most requests out, I.E. you must have a very good reason. I prefer having as many as possible vote in person, and am one of those who believes an ID needs to be shown to keep fraud to as minimal of a factor as possible.
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Post by dickc49 on Nov 7, 2020 8:58:41 GMT -5
By the way, I am not in any way calling the massive mail ins this year as fraud, although I’m sure there is some, its just not enough to change the outcome.
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Post by sitzmark on Nov 7, 2020 9:51:29 GMT -5
Postmarked by election day is stupid. Your ballot needs to be there by election day if you want it counted The states should have been able to count mailed ballots ahead of election day. Tally them only, NO results released. Then we'd have a winner on election night as we used to. Precedent for "postmarked by" because of IRS/taxes. There's a 45 day fixed voting window (ballot delivery) for overseas military and 17 day after election return (postmarked on/b4 election day) because of logistics. Makes sense. Postmarked-by is a more "fixed" reference point than unpredictable (postal) delivery systems ... that said no bills that I know of are due postmarked-by. Personally I have no need to know election results the day of ... just set parameters, validate ballot/voter, and then count with a chain-of-custody system of oversight. Let me know. Doesn't matter when ballots are counted if the system is challengeable because it always will be an exploitable avenue. I really think this is a pretty exceptional country that isn't anywhere near as corrupt and "bad" as its being promoted to be. No doubt there is some abuse/cheating as there is with every aspect life/governance, but not a systemic festering wound. There have been many looks into voter fraud and with very limited exceptions (percent of total) little has been found. My wife and I voted mail-in for the first time ever - when registering for primaries it seemed like it would avoid a possible hassle of navigating what might be a chaotic in-person experience. Was a little more work to process the absentee request and return the ballots than show-up-vote-in-person. Usually walk up to a table at a local school, give an address, get a ballot, and give same address when checking out. No ID check of any kind - been the same in the 6 states I've lived in over my voting years. In-person was no more validating/secure than mail-in for me.
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Post by dickc49 on Nov 7, 2020 11:37:15 GMT -5
Postmarked by election day is stupid. Your ballot needs to be there by election day if you want it counted The states should have been able to count mailed ballots ahead of election day. Tally them only, NO results released. Then we'd have a winner on election night as we used to. Precedent for "postmarked by" because of IRS/taxes. There's a 45 day fixed voting window (ballot delivery) for overseas military and 17 day after election return (postmarked on/b4 election day) because of logistics. Makes sense. Postmarked-by is a more "fixed" reference point than unpredictable (postal) delivery systems ... that said no bills that I know of are due postmarked-by. Personally I have no need to know election results the day of ... just set parameters, validate ballot/voter, and then count with a chain-of-custody system of oversight. Let me know. Doesn't matter when ballots are counted if the system is challengeable because it always will be an exploitable avenue. I really think this is a pretty exceptional country that isn't anywhere near as corrupt and "bad" as its being promoted to be. No doubt there is some abuse/cheating as there is with every aspect life/governance, but not a systemic festering wound. There have been many looks into voter fraud and with very limited exceptions (percent of total) little has been found. My wife and I voted mail-in for the first time ever - when registering for primaries it seemed like it would avoid a possible hassle of navigating what might be a chaotic in-person experience. Was a little more work to process the absentee request and return the ballots than show-up-vote-in-person. Usually walk up to a table at a local school, give an address, get a ballot, and give same address when checking out. No ID check of any kind - been the same in the 6 states I've lived in over my voting years. In-person was no more validating/secure than mail-in for me. Actually Sitz, in my precinct there was no give address at checkout like in the past. I think those workers were tied up opening the mail in ballots. I did notice it, but really had not given it much thought until now. I DID ask the nice lady at the ballot counting machine, and yes, no need to reprove your location.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 7, 2020 11:47:55 GMT -5
Fox has called it. While Trump is supposedly on the golf course. Perfect.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Nov 7, 2020 12:09:18 GMT -5
Congrats to President Biden, time to move on...just not until Trump lawyers drag this out a few more weeks.
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Post by noturns on Nov 7, 2020 13:06:54 GMT -5
Congrats to President Biden, time to move on...just not until Trump lawyers drag this out a few more weeks. MB, here’s Trumps concession speech m.youtube.com/watch?v=PVDH3MX4MYI
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Post by noturns on Nov 7, 2020 13:09:32 GMT -5
Congrats to President Biden, time to move on...just not until Trump lawyers drag this out a few more weeks. MB, here’s Trumps concession speech m.youtube.com/watch?v=PVDH3MX4MYINot over yet
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Post by dickc49 on Nov 7, 2020 14:24:33 GMT -5
In case some of you forgot ( hardly likely :>) ), the press DID lay out the too close to call for a few days scenario with that coming up with Biden the eventual winner, so not really a big surprise. The big surprises in 2020 so far are the Democrats LOSING a few house seats, and the too close to call Senate with a January 3 run off needing to occur in Georgia to determine control. Don't unbuckle those seat belts yet folks, the ride is not over.
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Post by rippy on Nov 7, 2020 15:13:05 GMT -5
Postmarked by election day is stupid. Your ballot needs to be there by election day if you want it counted The states should have been able to count mailed ballots ahead of election day. Tally them only, NO results released. Then we'd have a winner on election night as we used to. What's really stupid is not having a secure way to do this over the internet.
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Post by Machski on Nov 7, 2020 16:18:09 GMT -5
Postmarked by election day is stupid. Your ballot needs to be there by election day if you want it counted The states should have been able to count mailed ballots ahead of election day. Tally them only, NO results released. Then we'd have a winner on election night as we used to. What's really stupid is not having a secure way to do this over the internet. Seriously Rippy, you don't think an official US Election web portal would be on EVERY top hacker's #1 list? Toss China, Russia, Iran, N. Korea in on that game as well.
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Post by what is hip ? on Nov 7, 2020 17:25:20 GMT -5
I need to brush up on my French...
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Post by patroller on Nov 7, 2020 17:38:07 GMT -5
What's really stupid is not having a secure way to do this over the internet. Seriously Rippy, you don't think an official US Election web portal would be on EVERY top hacker's #1 list? Toss China, Russia, Iran, N. Korea in on that game as well. I think it's coming down the line... With 2 Factor Authentication it should be possible to do securely.
Why not, we do banking online, buy cars, trade stocks, not to mention all the HC that is now done virtually on a phone.
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