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Post by Machski on Nov 6, 2020 10:46:20 GMT -5
Well, no crap. Kind of rhetorical statement. Someone would drop a dime or two and none of the media want to be last to report something. But to say the constant play by play isn't fueling some or even most of the count angst would be completely blind as well. Well you didn’t seem very rhetorical. And I’m sure the conspiracy theorists will disagree but I actually think the media coverage (from all angles, Fox and all) is helping to provide more transparency which is good for the country. A black out where no one knows what is going on (or has to rely on/trust govt officials only) would be way worse IMO. Can you imagine if all we had to go on was updates from Trump right now? Good god, that would be a way worse disaster than what we have now. I might give you the "good thing" if they just reported the current numbers, did not speculate much beyond that and maybe how an area with uncounted ballots tends to lean. Too much hyper analyzing and flashing the current counts fuels those who are pasionate for one side or the other to jeer the process, current POTUS being one of the most fed.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 6, 2020 10:49:17 GMT -5
My point was rather simple, lots of Trump supporters said Biden is too old. Trump will be even older than Biden is now in 2024. That is all. Yet the person DJT would presumably be running against (we'll assume he survives his first term) would be Biden who would still be OLDER than DJT. How would the narrative change then?? Yeah, he'd be older than Biden was this go around, but Biden would be over 80 next! I think that would squash any talk of DJT's age at that point. BTW, Federal Air Traffic Controllers mandatory retirement age is 59, 121 Airline pilots are 65. Just saying... You missed/changed the point, Mach. MB was talking Trump, so that’s what I was responding to. We have no idea of Biden will run (or Trump for that matter) and in fact lots of the rhetoric from Trump supporters has been that Biden wouldn’t even make it through his first year before dying or going completely senile. It’s all hypothetical anyway, and I would bet Trump doesn’t run in 2024 for reasons other than his age.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 6, 2020 10:51:31 GMT -5
Well you didn’t seem very rhetorical. And I’m sure the conspiracy theorists will disagree but I actually think the media coverage (from all angles, Fox and all) is helping to provide more transparency which is good for the country. A black out where no one knows what is going on (or has to rely on/trust govt officials only) would be way worse IMO. Can you imagine if all we had to go on was updates from Trump right now? Good god, that would be a way worse disaster than what we have now. I might give you the "good thing" if they just reported the current numbers, did not speculate much beyond that and maybe how an area with uncounted ballots tends to lean. Too much hyper analyzing and flashing the current counts fuels those who are pasionate for one side or the other to jeer the process, current POTUS being one of the most fed. Fair enough, but I like and appreciate the analysis and having some insight into what to expect. Reduces stress actually. And I think the nut jobs who can’t handle it would nut jobs who can’t handle it no matter what the media says/does. I’ve mostly been following Fox (surprised?) and NBC online and have found their coverage to be more helpful than problematic. Why does it bother you so much?
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Post by Barker on Nov 6, 2020 10:54:29 GMT -5
What we need to do next Presidential Election is cast the vote, then black out all media for 4-5 days. None of this play by play crap, the country is too polarized at this point in time and margins are razor thin. Let the count happen without the second by second media play. Then have a big results show night. Works for reality TV programming, could be HUGE ratings for the TV news channels. Not happening, Mach. At least not without a constitutional amendment that countermands the 1st amendment. I'd rather see an amendment to replace the Electoral College with popular vote. Biden is ahead by about 4 million votes so the outcome shouldn't be this "close" That would also change the dynamics of small states having way too much influence (like in the Senate, but that is a story for another day....)
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Post by Machski on Nov 6, 2020 10:58:25 GMT -5
I might give you the "good thing" if they just reported the current numbers, did not speculate much beyond that and maybe how an area with uncounted ballots tends to lean. Too much hyper analyzing and flashing the current counts fuels those who are pasionate for one side or the other to jeer the process, current POTUS being one of the most fed. Fair enough, but I liked the analysis and having some insight into what to expect. Reduces stress actually. I’ve mostly been following Fox (surprised?) and NBC online and have found their coverage to be more helpful than problematic. Why does it bother you so much? It personally doesn't bother me, I just shut it off. What does bother me is that it is there, and there are those individuals that should turn it off but do not and grow enraged by it as things flip, whether it is explained why it might/will happen logically or not. Its kind of like a drug addict, if there was zero supply of drugs, they could be addicts. Same with media in this case.
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Post by Machski on Nov 6, 2020 10:59:36 GMT -5
Not happening, Mach. At least not without a constitutional amendment that countermands the 1st amendment. I'd rather see an amendment to replace the Electoral College with popular vote. Biden is ahead by about 4 million votes so the outcome shouldn't be this "close" That would also change the dynamics of small states having way too much influence (like in the Senate, but that is a story for another day....) You do understand the EC was a compromise back in the day to the version where Congress actually elected the President directly, yes? You think the elites want to give up their priviledge today?
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 6, 2020 11:00:31 GMT -5
Fair enough, but I liked the analysis and having some insight into what to expect. Reduces stress actually. I’ve mostly been following Fox (surprised?) and NBC online and have found their coverage to be more helpful than problematic. Why does it bother you so much? It personally doesn't bother me, I just shut it off. What does bother me is that it is there, and there are those individuals that should turn it off but do not and grow enraged by it as things flip, whether it is explained why it might/will happen logically or not. Its kind of like a drug addict, if there was zero supply of drugs, they could be addicts. Same with media in this case. Agree to disagree.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 6, 2020 11:02:13 GMT -5
Reading that air space has been closed in vicinity of Biden’s house, more secret service has been deployed there. Standard protocol when transition of power process is imminent.
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Post by Machski on Nov 6, 2020 11:03:31 GMT -5
Reading that air space has been closed in vicinity of Biden’s house, more secret service has been deployed there. Standard protocol when transition of power process is imminent. Also if a credible threat to a major party's nominee. Probably not the case here, just sayin....
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Post by Barker on Nov 6, 2020 11:13:25 GMT -5
I'd rather see an amendment to replace the Electoral College with popular vote. Biden is ahead by about 4 million votes so the outcome shouldn't be this "close" That would also change the dynamics of small states having way too much influence (like in the Senate, but that is a story for another day....) You do understand the EC was a compromise back in the day to the version where Congress actually elected the President directly, yes? You think the elites want to give up their priviledge today? Yes, I have read history. There were LOTS of compromises made during the founding but that doesn't mean we can't update them as we have 27 times so far. The first 10 were almost immediate. Did you know each elector used to vote for two people, with the second place person becoming VP (updated by 12th). State legislatures also used to appoint Senators, to filter out direct input from the unruly public (changed by 17th). Women couldn't vote until 100 years ago (19th) and blacks were originally counted as 3/5 of a person for the census....the list goes on.
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Post by Machski on Nov 6, 2020 11:24:54 GMT -5
You do understand the EC was a compromise back in the day to the version where Congress actually elected the President directly, yes? You think the elites want to give up their priviledge today? Yes, I have read history. There were LOTS of compromises made during the founding but that doesn't mean we can't update them as we have 27 times so far. The first 10 were almost immediate. Did you know each elector used to vote for two people, with the second place person becoming VP (updated by 12th). State legislatures also used to appoint Senators, to filter out direct input from the unruly public (changed by 17th). Women couldn't vote until 100 years ago (19th) and blacks were originally counted as 3/5 of a person for the census....the list goes on. Yes, but I just don't see this one being changed as easily. Especially where it gives some states a bit more leverage on the outcomes (CA having the most EC votes for example). Sure, they have a large population too, but they would then filter their votes rather than being almost always all EC to the Dems.
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Post by Barker on Nov 6, 2020 11:39:38 GMT -5
Yes, I have read history. There were LOTS of compromises made during the founding but that doesn't mean we can't update them as we have 27 times so far. The first 10 were almost immediate. Did you know each elector used to vote for two people, with the second place person becoming VP (updated by 12th). State legislatures also used to appoint Senators, to filter out direct input from the unruly public (changed by 17th). Women couldn't vote until 100 years ago (19th) and blacks were originally counted as 3/5 of a person for the census....the list goes on. Yes, but I just don't see this one being changed as easily. Especially where it gives some states a bit more leverage on the outcomes (CA having the most EC votes for example). Sure, they have a large population too, but they would then filter their votes rather than being almost always all EC to the Dems. CA has a big EC count (55) because of their 40 million population. Compare with say....Nevada that has 6 EC and a population of 3 million (to make the math easier) Each CA EC vote accounts for 1.375 million, where each NV EC vote accounts for only 0.5 million people. An extreme example would be a state like ND with a population of 800K and 3 EC votes, which comes out to less than 270K per.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Nov 6, 2020 12:31:12 GMT -5
Reading that air space has been closed in vicinity of Biden’s house, more secret service has been deployed there. Standard protocol when transition of power process is imminent. Now you are an expert on protocols around transition of power? Where is the cut and paste and meme?
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 6, 2020 12:39:51 GMT -5
Reading that air space has been closed in vicinity of Biden’s house, more secret service has been deployed there. Standard protocol when transition of power process is imminent. Now you are an expert on protocols around transition of power? Where is the cut and paste and meme? Sure MB, I’m an expert. Whatever you say. Can you actually see the earth from your planet?
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 6, 2020 12:44:42 GMT -5
Rush Limbaugh has conceded the election to Biden. That makes it official, right?
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