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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 6, 2020 8:12:06 GMT -5
Theres a popular tabloid for you....everyone has their thoughts. DJT needs to show evidence/proof of fraud...calling him a liar IMO is not the right word here. Crazy, yes, The GOP is a big party with talented folks, I would have to think MM would pull Trump aside and say, he pal its over....you lost. For them to allow him to do this makes a part of me wonder where this is going....they better show something in the form of evidence soon. Either way, Trump will be back in 2024 to run again. Did you see his presser yesterday? Calling him a liar AND crazy is totally appropriate IN MY OPINION (do I really have to write that?). The GOP won’t do anything to stop him, IN MY OPINION it is just the opposite...they went all in on Trump and are his biggest enabler. Trump is the GOP right now. Trump will be 78 in 2024, older than Biden is today. And he might be a convicted felon by then as well. Of course we know none of this matters to you, you only care about party and policy (one sided?).
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Post by promontoryrider on Nov 6, 2020 8:15:04 GMT -5
Can't wait until you are complaining about $4/gallon gas next year at this time..... Bookmark this and we’ll see if it is true. And if it were, it actually wouldn’t bother me as much as you think. We'll see, I hope I am wrong....but see nothing good coming from a potential Biden administration.
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Post by sitzmark on Nov 6, 2020 8:26:18 GMT -5
Theres a popular tabloid for you....everyone has their thoughts. DJT needs to show evidence/proof of fraud...calling him a liar IMO is not the right word here. Crazy, yes, The GOP is a big party with talented folks, I would have to think MM would pull Trump aside and say, he pal its over....you lost. For them to allow him to do this makes a part of me wonder where this is going....they better show something in the form of evidence soon. Either way, Trump will be back in 2024 to run again. There's no pulling DJT aside - he is the power base. MM and all others know their ongoing support is dependent on not alienating the base. Would take balls to stand up now and look like they are siding with "the swamp". Would be a long, difficult road back to regaining the unwavering allegiance that has been built. All the votes haven't even been counted yet - nothing good comes of saying anything either way until they are. Then challenges/posturing can begin in earnest. Smoke and mirrors now. edit: MM rhetoric is very measured right now and so is the criticism of Santorum, Christie, et. al. They know this is dangerous for the party and the process. The only way to resolve this now is to let DJT exonorate/hang himself with proof/lack of proof for the sweeping claims of fraud.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 6, 2020 8:44:54 GMT -5
Theres a popular tabloid for you....everyone has their thoughts. DJT needs to show evidence/proof of fraud...calling him a liar IMO is not the right word here. Crazy, yes, The GOP is a big party with talented folks, I would have to think MM would pull Trump aside and say, he pal its over....you lost. For them to allow him to do this makes a part of me wonder where this is going....they better show something in the form of evidence soon. Either way, Trump will be back in 2024 to run again. There's no pulling DJT aside - he is the power base. MM and all others know their ongoing support is dependent on not alienating the base. Would take balls to stand up now and look like they are siding with "the swamp". Would be a long, difficult road back to regaining the unwavering allegiance that has been built. All the votes haven't even been counted yet - nothing good comes of saying anything either way until they are. Then challenges/posturing can begin in earnest. Smoke and mirrors now. edit: MM rhetoric is very measured right now and so is the criticism of Santorum, Christie, et. al. They know this is dangerous for the party and the process. The only way to resolve this now is to let DJT exonorate/hang himself with proof/lack of proof for the sweeping claims of fraud. Agree 100%
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Post by Barker on Nov 6, 2020 8:49:00 GMT -5
Biden now leads in AZ, but somehow we are stuck on the 99% of votes counted for 24 hours. Thats a big 1% remaining. It might not matter as Biden will probably win NV. PA lead also shrinking. I find it funny that Fox has given Biden AZ but CNN has not. 264 vs 253. If I was laying $$$ down now, all my $ is on Biden for the win but Trump will challenge and who knows where that will go...messy and not a good look for the US. I find it amazing that we have people hand counting ballots across the US...I am not saying Trump is right, but who knows how accurate hand counting ballots is for both candidates. Fox News last night, saying, "we have a rover 140m miles away on Mars that we are controlling from a cubicle in TX but we cannot accurately count votes...." Bad look all the way around. Fox and AP (used by NPR/PBS) both called AZ for Biden on election night. They are not hand counting ballots. They are hand opening envelopes, comparing signatures and then running approved batches through counting machines. States release batches of results which is why for example PA remaining to count drops by 100,000 and Trump's lead drop by 18,000. Biden is getting a huge % of mail ins as was expected. PA is accepting mail ins with 11/3 postmark until today. Everyone can check the status of their absentee or mail-in ballot online and see if it was accepted or rejected. We voted absentee here in Maine - me in person and my wife by mail and we can see that both ballots were accepted. NC is not discussed much (will go to Trump) but they are accepting ballots until the 12th as long as they have an 11/3 postmark. Because of the pandemic Nevada mailed a ballot to every registered voter and they could choose to mail it back or vote in person. Not discussed much by Republican is that all these mail in ballots resulted in many GOP wins for House and Senate.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 6, 2020 8:55:11 GMT -5
PA just flipped to Biden.
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Post by bob on Nov 6, 2020 10:20:51 GMT -5
The Admiral's son...AKA "Johnny Wetstart"
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Post by wheelie on Nov 6, 2020 10:28:26 GMT -5
I think the specter of Trump 2024 will keep sleepy joe on his toes
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Post by Machski on Nov 6, 2020 10:31:22 GMT -5
What we need to do next Presidential Election is cast the vote, then black out all media for 4-5 days. None of this play by play crap, the country is too polarized at this point in time and margins are razor thin. Let the count happen without the second by second media play. Then have a big results show night. Works for reality TV programming, could be HUGE ratings for the TV news channels.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 6, 2020 10:35:41 GMT -5
What we need to do next Presidential Election is cast the vote, then black out all media for 4-5 days. None of this play by play crap, the country is too polarized at this point in time and margins are razor thin. Let the count happen without the second by second media play. Then have a big results show night. Works for reality TV programming, could be HUGE ratings for the TV news channels. Not happening, Mach. At least not without a constitutional amendment that countermands the 1st amendment.
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Post by Machski on Nov 6, 2020 10:35:49 GMT -5
Theres a popular tabloid for you....everyone has their thoughts. DJT needs to show evidence/proof of fraud...calling him a liar IMO is not the right word here. Crazy, yes, The GOP is a big party with talented folks, I would have to think MM would pull Trump aside and say, he pal its over....you lost. For them to allow him to do this makes a part of me wonder where this is going....they better show something in the form of evidence soon. Either way, Trump will be back in 2024 to run again. Did you see his presser yesterday? Calling him a liar AND crazy is totally appropriate IN MY OPINION (do I really have to write that?). The GOP won’t do anything to stop him, IN MY OPINION it is just the opposite...they went all in on Trump and are his biggest enabler. Trump is the GOP right now. Trump will be 78 in 2024, older than Biden is today. And he might be a convicted felon by then as well. Of course we know none of this matters to you, you only care about party and policy (one sided?). So what? Biden will also be 4 years older than he is today for the next election, at 81. He's still 3 years older than DJT. So your point was what exactly??
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Post by Machski on Nov 6, 2020 10:37:23 GMT -5
What we need to do next Presidential Election is cast the vote, then black out all media for 4-5 days. None of this play by play crap, the country is too polarized at this point in time and margins are razor thin. Let the count happen without the second by second media play. Then have a big results show night. Works for reality TV programming, could be HUGE ratings for the TV news channels. Not happening, Mach. At least not without a constitutional amendment that countermands the 1st amendment. Well, no crap. Kind of rhetorical statement. Someone would drop a dime or two and none of the media want to be last to report something. But to say the constant play by play isn't fueling some or even most of the count angst would be completely blind as well.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 6, 2020 10:38:51 GMT -5
Did you see his presser yesterday? Calling him a liar AND crazy is totally appropriate IN MY OPINION (do I really have to write that?). The GOP won’t do anything to stop him, IN MY OPINION it is just the opposite...they went all in on Trump and are his biggest enabler. Trump is the GOP right now. Trump will be 78 in 2024, older than Biden is today. And he might be a convicted felon by then as well. Of course we know none of this matters to you, you only care about party and policy (one sided?). So what? Biden will also be 4 years older than he is today for the next election, at 81. He's still 3 years older than DJT. So your point was what exactly?? My point was rather simple, lots of Trump supporters said Biden is too old. Trump will be even older than Biden is now in 2024. That is all.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 6, 2020 10:41:34 GMT -5
Not happening, Mach. At least not without a constitutional amendment that countermands the 1st amendment. Well, no crap. Kind of rhetorical statement. Someone would drop a dime or two and none of the media want to be last to report something. But to say the constant play by play isn't fueling some or even most of the count angst would be completely blind as well. Well you didn’t seem very rhetorical. And I’m sure the conspiracy theorists will disagree but I actually think the media coverage (from all angles, Fox and all) is helping to provide more transparency which is good for the country. A black out where no one knows what is going on (or has to rely on/trust govt officials only) would be way worse IMO. Can you imagine if all we had to go on was updates from Trump right now? Good god, that would be a way worse disaster than what we have now.
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Post by Machski on Nov 6, 2020 10:42:32 GMT -5
So what? Biden will also be 4 years older than he is today for the next election, at 81. He's still 3 years older than DJT. So your point was what exactly?? My point was rather simple, lots of Trump supporters said Biden is too old. Trump will be even older than Biden is now in 2024. That is all. Yet the person DJT would presumably be running against (we'll assume he survives his first term) would be Biden who would still be OLDER than DJT. How would the narrative change then?? Yeah, he'd be older than Biden was this go around, but Biden would be over 80 next! I think that would squash any talk of DJT's age at that point. BTW, Federal Air Traffic Controllers mandatory retirement age is 59, 121 Airline pilots are 65. Just saying...
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