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Post by Barker on Oct 28, 2020 16:06:53 GMT -5
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Post by promontoryrider on Oct 28, 2020 16:14:18 GMT -5
Definitely a real photo of Joe - looks dazed and confused, that's him!!! Background questionable!?!?!?
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Post by bob on Oct 28, 2020 16:15:35 GMT -5
Trump is literally the harbinger of death. 💀
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Post by garcia on Oct 28, 2020 16:20:34 GMT -5
Sitz, I think that question is key to where we are today, i.e. is health care an absolute right or is it a privilege that should be available only to those who can pay for it? The current system seems to be standing right in the middle of the road on this, and without strong consensus on having the answer one way or the other, It’s hard to see how that is gong to change. I would much rather my tax dollars go to keeping someone from losing their home because they got cancer instead of "rebuilding countries" we blow up
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Post by ZenMaster on Oct 28, 2020 16:36:55 GMT -5
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Post by noturns on Oct 28, 2020 16:51:42 GMT -5
Barker, yep, busted. This is where Joe was Tuesday
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Oct 28, 2020 17:05:02 GMT -5
Also photoshopped. Well the background. Joe is real.
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Post by ZenMaster on Oct 28, 2020 17:16:02 GMT -5
Also photoshopped. Well the background. Joe is real. ok, sure
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Post by noturns on Oct 28, 2020 18:18:00 GMT -5
Also photoshopped. Well the background. Joe is real. ok, sure Looks like he actually had a decent (for Joe) turnout. There must have been free food or something. The rally earlier in the day had about 20 of his famous 6 foot circles and quite a few were empty
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Post by dickc49 on Oct 28, 2020 19:36:47 GMT -5
I'm sure certain things were needed to make the ACA work. In Mass, remember that "Romney care" was 35 pages long. How long was the ACA? "The bill was around 2700 pages long when it passed and the condensed version was around 900 pages long". It contains a whole lot of "stuff" that was surely not needed. I'm sure the insurance industry would be "writing" much of the bill from the lobbyist sidelines.
The BIG point of my post was as to how much of a political football the ACA has become because of the Democratic parties "exclusionary" writing of it. We should always have bi-partisan buy in of major legislation like that. The fact they did not is why there is still so much bickering over it. I also think that Washington politics would be less divided that it is now, but any one could argue otherwise and be just as right.
No small part of that goes back to Democrat efforts to work with Republicans to craft Ted's then Hillary's versions of health reform over the years. No cooperation there, except for the teaming of Kennedy and Hatch. Even then not much. By the time it came to Obama the dem's took the "elections have consequences" (EHC) route and got'er done. Not the first and not the last time EHC will rule the day. <wink> You are right, the lack of inclusion increased the bitterness of the fight, but ACA was never going to have any R support. From day one "Obummer" and anything he wanted to accomplish was enemy #1. And so it goes with a little extra sauce with each election ... and will continue to go from all indications. The Republicans did offer their own version of health care, it was some six hundred pages and included tort reform. The Dems were just not interested, and were especially not interested in tort reform. Not being a lawyer, I don't know what the tort reform involved, and why the Dems were not interested. s to the rest of their bill, I do not remember seeing any details, and the (BIASED) press seemed to discard any reporting of it out of hand. Would have been interesting if the press had delved into both and reported some bullet points to the public.
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Post by sitzmark on Oct 28, 2020 22:15:50 GMT -5
No small part of that goes back to Democrat efforts to work with Republicans to craft Ted's then Hillary's versions of health reform over the years. No cooperation there, except for the teaming of Kennedy and Hatch. Even then not much. By the time it came to Obama the dem's took the "elections have consequences" (EHC) route and got'er done. Not the first and not the last time EHC will rule the day. <wink> You are right, the lack of inclusion increased the bitterness of the fight, but ACA was never going to have any R support. From day one "Obummer" and anything he wanted to accomplish was enemy #1. And so it goes with a little extra sauce with each election ... and will continue to go from all indications. The Republicans did offer their own version of health care, it was some six hundred pages and included tort reform. The Dems were just not interested, and were especially not interested in tort reform. Not being a lawyer, I don't know what the tort reform involved, and why the Dems were not interested. s to the rest of their bill, I do not remember seeing any details, and the (BIASED) press seemed to discard any reporting of it out of hand. Would have been interesting if the press had delved into both and reported some bullet points to the public. Not here to defend the dems - they own their actions. R's do to - they had many opportunities over the years and 12/10 years of majority rule (House and Senate) to put something together and didn't try. Tort reform should be on the docket, but was offered as a stall as it was played. Both parties are beholden to the lobbyists ($$) they serve. Biased - hell yes there are many DPC's* and RPC's* out there. One's own choice which to consult. I scan a few of each. Have a (step) brother who's been on staff for the Miami Herald, LA Times, NY Times, and now the New Yorker. His brother swears Dexter is a flag carrying lib, while standing as a staunch hardcore R himself. Rick was senior counsel on Henry Hyde's Judiciary team prosecuting Clinton's impeachment. There've been some interesting family exchanges. <grin> Meanwhile the nation's core metrics for healthcare continue to slide. Life expectancies down. Infant mortality rising. Healthcare as a share of GDP out of whack with other western nations. "We" can continue playing blame games or get down to work and fix a major issue (and growing) in the US. *DPC/RPC (Democrat/Republican Propaganda Channel)
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Post by ZenMaster on Oct 29, 2020 10:35:40 GMT -5
Trump out on the stump trying to court the female vote, lmao
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Oct 29, 2020 10:55:13 GMT -5
Trump out on the stump trying to court the female vote, lmao I would bet if he had the ability to regret, he might regret that statement.
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Post by promontoryrider on Oct 29, 2020 10:55:23 GMT -5
Trump out on the stump trying to court the female vote, lmao I thought George was the president?
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Post by what is hip ? on Oct 29, 2020 11:51:05 GMT -5
Biden out on the stump trying to court the female vote, lmao
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