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Post by rippy on Feb 9, 2022 7:57:37 GMT -5
MS needed to pick herself up and ski down the course and waive to the crowd. Yes, I feel bad for her but sitting on the snow crying and holding up the entire race shows a complete lack of awareness and was bad sportsmanship.....get up MS, dust yourself off and get ready for Thursday. Absolutely agree. Great skier but an entitled twit.
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Post by Machski on Feb 9, 2022 9:24:30 GMT -5
MS needed to pick herself up and ski down the course and waive to the crowd. Yes, I feel bad for her but sitting on the snow crying and holding up the entire race shows a complete lack of awareness and was bad sportsmanship.....get up MS, dust yourself off and get ready for Thursday. Absolutely agree. Great skier but an entitled twit. Wow, both you and MB. How about this is her first Olympics without her dad and is affecting her emotionally more than she planned/anticipated. If you have even paid attention to FIS races she's been in since, you'd know her emotions have been all over the place, way more so than before her Dad passed. So sure Rippy, go ahead and rip her as an entire twit. Yes, she should have just skied down. But I'm guessing she's pretty much an emotional wreck and probably feels the weight of the US and World staring down her right now. As much as I'd like to see her press on and compete and maybe medal in the speed events, I personally think she should ditch them at this point given her lack of speed prep and the danger factor increased because of the speed and that fact. Its been a horrible games, no need to potentially suffer a career threatening injury to save some face if you aren't mentally in it.
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Post by ZenMaster on Feb 9, 2022 9:37:08 GMT -5
Absolutely agree. Great skier but an entitled twit. Wow, both you and MB. How about this is her first Olympics without her dad and is affecting her emotionally more than she planned/anticipated. If you have even paid attention to FIS races she's been in since, you'd know her emotions have been all over the place, way more so than before her Dad passed. So sure Rippy, go ahead and rip her as an entire twit. Yes, she should have just skied down. But I'm guessing she's pretty much an emotional wreck and probably feels the weight of the US and World staring down her right now. As much as I'd like to see her press on and compete and maybe medal in the speed events, I personally think she should ditch them at this point given her lack of speed prep and the danger factor increased because of the speed and that fact. Its been a horrible games, no need to potentially suffer a career threatening injury to save some face if you aren't mentally in it. Agree with MB in terms of what she should have done. I was a little shocked at how long she sat there, had to be disconcerting on some level (and unfair) for the racers who started while she was still there. That said, I also agree with Mach that she deserves some latitude for the reasons he outlined, as well as just the tremendous pressure she must be feeling with all expectations placed on her. I hope she takes a breath before deciding whether to enter the remaining events and prioritizes her long term mental and physical health.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Feb 9, 2022 12:39:17 GMT -5
All skiers have issues, just because MS dad died doesnt give her permission to carry on like that. Move off the course, cry on the side. Be respectful of the racer in the start cue who now has to break concentration, wait while MS cries. Totally absurd. So selfish and way too dramatic. They should have gone over to her, scooped her up and got her off the course.
Mach, you know everything about every other racer from every country and what they are going through? and I need to ask, how do you know what I watch/do not watch?
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Post by ZenMaster on Feb 9, 2022 14:42:04 GMT -5
I would expand that to all people, not just skiers. And just for arguments sake (so unlike me, lol), if she had a physical injury as a result of that crash then I doubt anyone would be questioning how long it took her to get off the course. Should a mental health injury be treated all that differently? What if she was so traumatized to the point that she just couldn’t get up and move, does that make her weak? Or a crybaby? Or an entitled twit? Maybe it does, but no one here really knows what she was going through in the moment. Athletes have long been expected to tough it out when it comes to their mental health but for better or worse that seems to be changing (see Simone Biles and Naomi Osaka). Just a thought.
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Post by hawk on Feb 9, 2022 15:00:51 GMT -5
What a rollercoaster. We go from Mikaela Shiffrin'd DNF after 5 gates and then we have lindsey jacobellis winning gold at 36 on the 3rd try after that illfated move that lost her the gold. That made my day.
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Post by hawk on Feb 9, 2022 15:03:00 GMT -5
I would expand that to all people, not just skiers. And just for arguments sake (so unlike me, lol), if she had a physical injury as a result of that crash then I doubt anyone would be questioning how long it took her to get off the course. Should a mental health injury be treated all that differently? What if she was so traumatized to the point that she just couldn’t get up and move, does that make her weak? Or a crybaby? Or an entitled twit? Maybe it does, but no one here really knows what she was going through in the moment. Athletes have long been expected to tough it out when it comes to their mental health but for better or worse that seems to be changing (see Simone Biles and Naomi Osaka). Just a thought. Ya look at this bunch of clowns on here! Geeze.
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Post by rippy on Feb 9, 2022 15:32:28 GMT -5
Absolutely agree. Great skier but an entitled twit. Wow, both you and MB. How about this is her first Olympics without her dad and is affecting her emotionally more than she planned/anticipated. If you have even paid attention to FIS races she's been in since, you'd know her emotions have been all over the place, way more so than before her Dad passed. So sure Rippy, go ahead and rip her as an entire twit. Yes, she should have just skied down. But I'm guessing she's pretty much an emotional wreck and probably feels the weight of the US and World staring down her right now. As much as I'd like to see her press on and compete and maybe medal in the speed events, I personally think she should ditch them at this point given her lack of speed prep and the danger factor increased because of the speed and that fact. Its been a horrible games, no need to potentially suffer a career threatening injury to save some face if you aren't mentally in it. This is pure bullshit. If she wasn’t mentally and emotionally prepared (which I highly doubt was the case) to compete at the highest level of her sport, she should have stayed home. Is she the first elite athlete that’s had a family member die???….I doubt it. In fact, IMO, many athletes would draw strength from losing a parent and put in their best performances. We can agree that she should go home.
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Post by rippy on Feb 9, 2022 15:35:00 GMT -5
All skiers have issues, just because MS dad died doesnt give her permission to carry on like that. Move off the course, cry on the side. Be respectful of the racer in the start cue who now has to break concentration, wait while MS cries. Totally absurd. So selfish and way too dramatic. They should have gone over to her, scooped her up and got her off the course. Mach, you know everything about every other racer from every country and what they are going through? and I need to ask, how do you know what I watch/do not watch? Don’t you know it’s ALL about MS ?
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Feb 9, 2022 19:50:21 GMT -5
MS has won races since her dad died, this is not different in any way. She crashed, so what? Crashes happen. Pick yourself up, move off the course...let the other competitors take their runs. I do not feel I need to share my understanding of mental health issues but I understand more than most. I found what she did horribly disrespectful and rude. And if you are not composed, do not jump on camera and cry. She has handlers, they should have cared for her, got her off the course and somewhere safe. Leaving her on course and letting her interview were surely not helpful to her in that situation. And I am sorry, had she had a clean run.....she would have been jumping up and down and cheering. If sh was at risk of a breakdown, why was she in Beijing....stay home and get better. the moment you step in the start house, you are on a world stage w millions of eyes on you....
Rippy, might be as aligned as we have ever been
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Post by ZenMaster on Feb 9, 2022 20:57:19 GMT -5
Fair enough. Don’t totally agree, but understand.
PS - We’ve all seen lots of top world class athletes cry when they win, even bawl like a baby. Emotions flow when they flow, you can’t just turn ‘em off. Well, some people can but it isn’t always healthy.
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Post by sitzmark on Feb 10, 2022 4:11:22 GMT -5
Course workers and coaching staff should have moved assisted her off course. Would have been better for everyone. Done is done, unfortunately. Learning moment.
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Post by Machski on Feb 10, 2022 9:52:26 GMT -5
Fair enough. Don’t totally agree, but understand. PS - We’ve all seen lots of top world class athletes cry when they win, even bawl like a baby. Emotions flow when they flow, you can’t just turn ‘em off. Well, some people can but it isn’t always healthy. Agree. My wife lost her dad unexpectedly around MS's age, and it took her a good three years after to clear the sudden and often out of nowhere emotions that would just ball her up into a cry fit. Was tough to help her through that, and she didn't have the ski racing world or her country's eyes on her or her own racing expectations to deal with. Fact is, yes she's so. Since her dad passed. But at the finish, you no longer know which MS you are going to see. Is it the happy and gracious one on the one on the snow in a heap crying or falling to tears at post race interview. That second part was non existent prior. Bottom line is yes, she should have cleared the course then fallen apart. One problem with that at this venue however, the snow ends at course edge pretty much. You can slip through the netting to another route off course, it's all bare dirt and rock. Kind of a unique issue. Still doesn't make it right just because, but is a factor also take into consideration. Onto last night, nice story for Strolz winning the Gold in combined 35 years after his father did the same. Seemingly lots of generational tie ins happening these games. And Chloe Kim becomes the first woman to repeat Gold in women's halfpipe. After nailing the winning score in run 1, she went for it on both her others trying to land the first 1260 for a woman in Competition. She was so close to landing those!
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Post by Machski on Feb 10, 2022 16:10:51 GMT -5
Oh wow, just read about this online and went on Peacock and rewatched the Slalom. The race WAS NOT DELAYED by MS, she actually cleared the safety area of the course before collapsing into a ball. The next racer started literally 20 seconds after she was out and off the course. NBC's primetime feed lead all to believe otherwise but their live Euro-slanted race feed stayed on the actual race. Poor form NBC
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Post by ZenMaster on Feb 10, 2022 17:01:08 GMT -5
Oh wow, just read about this online and went on Peacock and rewatched the Slalom. The race WAS NOT DELAYED by MS, she actually cleared the safety area of the course before collapsing into a ball. The next racer started literally 20 seconds after she was out and off the course. NBC's primetime feed lead all to believe otherwise but their live Euro-slanted race feed stayed on the actual race. Poor form NBC Maybe I was watching something different but I never had the impression that the race was delayed and knew that other racers were starting while she was sitting there. One of the camera angles showed this was happening. That said, she was clearly within view from the start gate which I would think could have been a distraction, but it didn’t hold them up.
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