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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 13, 2020 18:44:54 GMT -5
True, Pfizer wasn't in warp speed, but they are one of the companies the US has already prepaid and bought a ton of vaccine from. They most certainly were in warp speed. They got a guaranteed 1.95B purchase. They wouldn't have developed it with out that guarantee. They even disclosed it. Warp speed is a specific program that paid up front, the govt essentially covering the R&D and purchasing the result. I have no issue with that program. However, Pfizer wasn’t part of warp speed. They have disclosed that. Trump felt the need to lie and say they were. Those are the facts. It they don’t matter to you, that’s your choice. www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-vaccine-funded-by-trump/
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Nov 13, 2020 18:55:36 GMT -5
10000m %. warp speed in terms of development and approval. Vaccines are typically 8-10 years. If you don’t understand that please stop playing expert.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 13, 2020 19:02:22 GMT -5
10000m %. warp speed in terms of development and approval. Vaccines are typically 8-10 years. If you don’t understand that please stop playing expert. If you are directing at me, you are conflating things here MB. No one is disputing Pfizer (and others) have developed these potential vaccines fast. Crazy fast. And you’re the expert as you have reminded us over and over. We’ve covered all that ground. What you and your posse here don’t understand or don’t want to acknowledge is that Pfizer was not part of the Warp Speed (I guess we need to capitalize) program. They just weren’t. Not debatable.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 13, 2020 19:37:30 GMT -5
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Post by patroller on Nov 13, 2020 19:48:43 GMT -5
Time to move on boyz... When Trump had 306 ECV's in '16 it was "A Landslide Victory"
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Post by what is hip ? on Nov 13, 2020 20:58:48 GMT -5
10000m %. warp speed in terms of development and approval. Vaccines are typically 8-10 years. If you don’t understand that please stop playing expert. If you are directing at me, you are conflating things here MB. No one is disputing Pfizer (and others) have developed these potential vaccines fast. Crazy fast. And you’re the expert as you have reminded us over and over. We’ve covered all that ground. What you and your posse here don’t understand or don’t want to acknowledge is that Pfizer was not part of the Warp Speed (I guess we need to capitalize) program. They just weren’t. Not debatable. your so full of shit. Here is Pfizer's own investors press release from July PFZER INV PR. They didn't take the research money but they took the guaranteed buy. Know when to foldem. ....NEW YORK & MAINZ, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced the execution of an agreement with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense to meet the U.S. government’s Operation Warp Speed program goal to begin delivering 300 million doses of a vaccine for COVID-19 in 2021. Under the agreement, the U.S. government will receive 100 million doses of BNT162, the COVID-19 vaccine candidate jointly developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, after Pfizer successfully manufactures and obtains approval or emergency use authorization from U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).....
...“Expanding Operation Warp Speed’s diverse portfolio by adding a vaccine from Pfizer and BioNTech increases the odds that we will have a safe, effective vaccine as soon as the end of this year,” said HHS Secretary Alex Azar. “Depending on success in clinical trials, today’s agreement will enable the delivery of approximately 100 million doses of this vaccine to the American people.”...
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Post by wheelie on Nov 13, 2020 20:59:28 GMT -5
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 13, 2020 21:09:11 GMT -5
Takes two (or in this case, a whole tribe) to tango. Don’t blame me you can’t lay off.
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Post by what is hip ? on Nov 13, 2020 23:25:51 GMT -5
If you are directing at me, you are conflating things here MB. No one is disputing Pfizer (and others) have developed these potential vaccines fast. Crazy fast. And you’re the expert as you have reminded us over and over. We’ve covered all that ground. What you and your posse here don’t understand or don’t want to acknowledge is that Pfizer was not part of the Warp Speed (I guess we need to capitalize) program. They just weren’t. Not debatable. your so full of shit. Here is Pfizer's own investors press release from July PFZER INV PR. They didn't take the research money but they took the guaranteed buy. Know when to foldem. ....NEW YORK & MAINZ, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced the execution of an agreement with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense to meet the U.S. government’s Operation Warp Speed program goal to begin delivering 300 million doses of a vaccine for COVID-19 in 2021. Under the agreement, the U.S. government will receive 100 million doses of BNT162, the COVID-19 vaccine candidate jointly developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, after Pfizer successfully manufactures and obtains approval or emergency use authorization from U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).....
...“Expanding Operation Warp Speed’s diverse portfolio by adding a vaccine from Pfizer and BioNTech increases the odds that we will have a safe, effective vaccine as soon as the end of this year,” said HHS Secretary Alex Azar. “Depending on success in clinical trials, today’s agreement will enable the delivery of approximately 100 million doses of this vaccine to the American people.”...Crickets - you too Mach.
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Post by Machski on Nov 13, 2020 23:41:20 GMT -5
your so full of shit. Here is Pfizer's own investors press release from July PFZER INV PR. They didn't take the research money but they took the guaranteed buy. Know when to foldem. ....NEW YORK & MAINZ, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced the execution of an agreement with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense to meet the U.S. government’s Operation Warp Speed program goal to begin delivering 300 million doses of a vaccine for COVID-19 in 2021. Under the agreement, the U.S. government will receive 100 million doses of BNT162, the COVID-19 vaccine candidate jointly developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, after Pfizer successfully manufactures and obtains approval or emergency use authorization from U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).....
...“Expanding Operation Warp Speed’s diverse portfolio by adding a vaccine from Pfizer and BioNTech increases the odds that we will have a safe, effective vaccine as soon as the end of this year,” said HHS Secretary Alex Azar. “Depending on success in clinical trials, today’s agreement will enable the delivery of approximately 100 million doses of this vaccine to the American people.”...Crickets - you too Mach. OK, they were in the buy ahead portion, they weren't in the warp speed R&D part, they were doing that on their own. Does this really matter? Its semantics, not a big deal. Except to those tracking every little possibility of a half truth from Trump which I am not.
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Post by Barker on Nov 14, 2020 6:55:47 GMT -5
OK, they were in the buy ahead portion, they weren't in the warp speed R&D part, they were doing that on their own. Does this really matter? Its semantics, not a big deal. Except to those tracking every little possibility of a half truth from Trump which I am not. fortune.com/2020/11/09/pfizer-vaccine-funding-warp-speed-germany/Pfizer will get money from the US after they deliver. Germany gave Pfizer’s partner BioNTech SE $445 million for R&D
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Post by rippy on Nov 14, 2020 7:01:18 GMT -5
10000m %. warp speed in terms of development and approval. Vaccines are typically 8-10 years. If you don’t understand that please stop playing expert. If you are directing at me, you are conflating things here MB. No one is disputing Pfizer (and others) have developed these potential vaccines fast. Crazy fast. And you’re the expert as you have reminded us over and over. We’ve covered all that ground. What you and your posse here don’t understand or don’t want to acknowledge is that Pfizer was not part of the Warp Speed (I guess we need to capitalize) program. They just weren’t. Not debatable. Who really gives a shit? Trump had this timeline nailed. You’re just pissed this isn’t happening after 1/20.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Nov 14, 2020 7:01:59 GMT -5
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Post by bob on Nov 14, 2020 8:55:07 GMT -5
Anyone who deals with stats and probabilities, outliers etc who looks at some of the ridiculously unbelievable #'s like turnout in key swing states, Biden only ballots etc can see fraud if they are objective. In politics few are.
The Statistical Case Against Biden’s Win
" Wisconsin overall, the turnout was above 90% of registered voters. Even in a state with same-day registration, such a number seems implausible. After all, in Australia, a place where voting is mandatory, and failing to vote is punishable with stiff fines, the total turnout for the most recent election was still only 92%."
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Post by what is hip ? on Nov 14, 2020 9:06:23 GMT -5
OK, they were in the buy ahead portion, they weren't in the warp speed R&D part, they were doing that on their own. Does this really matter? Its semantics, not a big deal. Except to those tracking every little possibility of a half truth from Trump which I am not. Semantics. Yeah OK Mach. Semantic like Pfizers own press release where in the 1st sentence they say: Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced the execution of an agreement with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense to meet the U.S. government’s Operation Warp Speed program goal to begin delivering 300 million doses of a vaccine for COVID-19 in 2021. Under the agreement, the U.S. government will receive 100 million doses of BNT162, the COVID-19 vaccine candidate jointly developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, after Pfizer successfully manufactures and obtains approval or emergency use authorization from U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)..... Advice: Colonel ZNN uses mainstream media garbage to try and prop up his hatred of the evil orange man time after time. The he uses SNOPES as a fact check. Snopes, who tried to fact check the Babylon Bee. I would never hitch my wagon to him. Do your own research.
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