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Post by flip on Nov 11, 2020 9:44:33 GMT -5
I guess the difference here is that I am working under the understanding that ALL politicians and BOTH sides are full of shit....once I got to that point, it becomes much easier.... Seems like you guys are both saying the same thing. In fact I think many of us have said it, both sides suck. How can you say both sides suck? You've been blatantly touting your bias for months.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 11, 2020 9:47:13 GMT -5
Seems like you guys are both saying the same thing. In fact I think many of us have said it, both sides suck. How can you say both sides suck? You've been blatantly touting your bias for months. I have said it many times. The two-party system needs to be blown up because both sides suck. I have also said that I, along with many others, believe the Trump presidency is an existential threat to our country unlike anything we have seen before or will likely see for many years. Don’t confuse passionate non-support of one politician for support of another.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 11, 2020 10:09:28 GMT -5
I have to hand it to Fox, I think they have one of the best election map visualizations on their site. Looks like Biden’s margin keeps growing as votes are counted and he’s going to end up with more than 50% of Americans voting for him, which neither candidate was able to get in 2016.
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Post by promontoryrider on Nov 11, 2020 11:06:52 GMT -5
I have to hand it to Fox, I think they have one of the best election map visualizations on their site. Looks like Biden’s margin keeps growing as votes are counted and he’s going to end up with more than 50% of Americans voting for him, which neither candidate was able to get in 2016. 50% of Living and Dead Americans
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Post by Machski on Nov 11, 2020 11:39:01 GMT -5
Some people have compared this to 2000 and the Florida debacle. Whether that is a valid comparison is up for debate, but one of the lessons learned (or at least should have been) came from the 9/11 commission which found that the delay in transition hindered Bush in getting up to speed on classified intelligence on terrorism and that was a contributing factor in the “success” of the 9/11 attacks. Let’s just hope history doesn’t repeat itself. EXACTLY!The Presidential Transition Act has been updated several times since the 911 report to follow their recommendations, most recently in 2019. People were assigned last May. Joe is "playing it cool" and said there is only one president at a time and until January 20th, but there are 4000 appointees to be put into place and coordination needed with the present admin to avoid past mistakes. The Trump admin is not allowing Joe to get the PDB or his appointees to undergo background checks yet. I think you both are putting a bit too much weight on that report. Are you both telling me the CIA doesn't operate correctly unless the President Elect has access to the PDB? Come on, give it a break. Biden would get to see it, but he couldn't really act on it or firmly plan from it since the actual POTUS could do something prior to him taking office. If 9-11 happened on 4-11, I might give that report more serious consideration. That fact 9-11 happened almost 8 months AFTER Bush was inaugurated, I doubt that hampered much. CIA and other intelligence was off, I very much doubt anything would have been handled any better had the election been a ear cut one way or the other. Exactly what did Clinton do to avert it in his final months?
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Post by bob on Nov 11, 2020 11:50:28 GMT -5
My eyes are wide open MB. This particular discussion is not about the impeachment. That is an entirely different and larger conversation. But that is the way most around here like to argue. Deflections, denials, Whatever. If you want to play the wasting time game, how about the wasted time trying to scare up evidence about Biden's wrong doings? If there was any real evidence, wouldn't there have been a trial or some kind of penalties? How about holding off on stimulus packages until the elections? Another waste of time. Again, plenty of blame and wasted time on both sides. I am fiscally conservative and do not like a ton of government control but have not voted republican for years because they party has sold it sole to the gun lobby and the religious right. Separation of church and state went out the window and obvious and smart gun control is no go to the death. How about a fair election? Start there..... How fair could in have been with all the China $$$ flowing to the Biden's?
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 11, 2020 11:56:37 GMT -5
I think you both are putting a bit too much weight on that report. The report is what it is. With all due respect, I absolutely put more weight into it than assumptions, guesses and suppositions from members of this forum.
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Post by Barker on Nov 11, 2020 12:43:47 GMT -5
How about a fair election? Start there..... How fair could in have been with all the China $$$ flowing to the Biden's?
That's right bob, I forgot about how Hunter got $1.5B from China
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Post by poe on Nov 11, 2020 13:41:25 GMT -5
News played a clip of a Biden interview where he said "I support a strong China". Given the human rights record of China and how they have forced camps for a minority group, it really says alot about how much he really cares about stopping racism. The world is not better off with a strong evil communist country. If Trump had said that, the MSM would be all over him for supporting a dictator. Poe, you do realize that China holds most of the US notes. Right now that is about 10 trillion dollars. They basically are our bank that we borrow all our money from. It called deficit spending and your political affiliation has nothing to do with it. China also produces manufactures a tremendous amount of our products because large corporations can not afford us labor and can not compete when then do use it. Any person that understands the economics of our country knows that if China starting declining it would have a very bad effect on our financial situation. But if you want to twist that around to spin it your way that is fine. I am good with that. FOX played the clip but it was Biden in his own words answering someone's question. We had several decades of the policy of opening up to China - hoping that they would see western values and adopt some of them and move towards democracy. All it did though was get the U.S. cheaper goods and make China a RICH evil country. If people think cheap TVs and iPhones is worth it to allow the exploitation and abuse of people, then we can just stop talking about lots of "systemic" problems in our country because we'd just be hypocrites. The fact that China holds our treasuries doesn't justify it either. We need to separate ourselves from China until such time they reform. The NBA is the epitome of a hippocratic organization with their BLM support and not allowing any criticism of China. It shouldn't just be about the money. Trump seemed to understand that as he accepted the pain of his tariff policies. For Biden it's not necessarily about money or moral values, but whatever works for political power.
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Post by Barker on Nov 11, 2020 13:51:04 GMT -5
Poe, you do realize that China holds most of the US notes. Right now that is about 10 trillion dollars. They basically are our bank that we borrow all our money from. It called deficit spending and your political affiliation has nothing to do with it. China also produces manufactures a tremendous amount of our products because large corporations can not afford us labor and can not compete when then do use it. Any person that understands the economics of our country knows that if China starting declining it would have a very bad effect on our financial situation. But if you want to twist that around to spin it your way that is fine. I am good with that. FOX played the clip but it was Biden in his own words answering someone's question. We had several decades of the policy of opening up to China - hoping that they would see western values and adopt some of them and move towards democracy. All it did though was get the U.S. cheaper goods and make China a RICH evil country. If people think cheap TVs and iPhones is worth it to allow the exploitation and abuse of people, then we can just stop talking about lots of "systemic" problems in our country because we'd just be hypocrites. The fact that China holds our treasuries doesn't justify it either. We need to separate ourselves from China until such time they reform. The NBA is the epitome of a hippocratic organization with their BLM support and not allowing any criticism of China. It shouldn't just be about the money. Trump seemed to understand that as he accepted the pain of his tariff policies. For Biden it's not necessarily about money or moral values, but whatever works for political power. Actually China is the #2 owner of US debt at just over $1T. Japan owns a little more. About $21T (78%) is owned by US citizens including intra-government (Social Security, Medicare, etc.) and $6T is the total foreign ownership.
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Post by bob on Nov 11, 2020 16:49:34 GMT -5
FOX played the clip but it was Biden in his own words answering someone's question. We had several decades of the policy of opening up to China - hoping that they would see western values and adopt some of them and move towards democracy. All it did though was get the U.S. cheaper goods and make China a RICH evil country. If people think cheap TVs and iPhones is worth it to allow the exploitation and abuse of people, then we can just stop talking about lots of "systemic" problems in our country because we'd just be hypocrites. The fact that China holds our treasuries doesn't justify it either. We need to separate ourselves from China until such time they reform. The NBA is the epitome of a hippocratic organization with their BLM support and not allowing any criticism of China. It shouldn't just be about the money. Trump seemed to understand that as he accepted the pain of his tariff policies. For Biden it's not necessarily about money or moral values, but whatever works for political power. Actually China is the #2 owner of US debt at just over $1T. Japan owns a little more. About $21T (78%) is owned by US citizens including intra-government (Social Security, Medicare, etc.) and $6T is the total foreign ownership. If China dumped the debt they would kill their own sale price, never gonna happen. It's more likely to happen slowly. The fed would just step up and buy the excess.
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Post by bob on Nov 11, 2020 16:52:49 GMT -5
How fair could in have been with all the China $$$ flowing to the Biden's?
That's right bob, I forgot about how Hunter got $1.5B from ChinaWhere did the $$$ go Hunter???
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Post by what is hip ? on Nov 11, 2020 18:27:15 GMT -5
off election but political question:
Why does the MSmedia hate global warming?.... but then they have multiple orgasms on camera when it is 70(f)+ for a week in November? If that is what you like, wouldn't you want global warming?
ZNN, can you explain this for me? Sorry to take time out of your special day... Your the best. Thanks!
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Post by noturns on Nov 11, 2020 19:50:12 GMT -5
I have to hand it to Fox, I think they have one of the best election map visualizations on their site. Looks like Biden’s margin keeps growing as votes are counted and he’s going to end up with more than 50% of Americans voting for him, which neither candidate was able to get in 2016. 50% of Living and Dead Americans Promontory, you forgot illegals. At least the dead had a Legal right to vote at one time
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 11, 2020 22:42:59 GMT -5
50% of Living and Dead Americans Promontory, you forgot illegals. At least the dead had a Legal right to vote at one time And don’t forget the Martians. Oh and the dogs and cats. Probably a few farm animals too.
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