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Post by hawk on Nov 9, 2020 10:25:33 GMT -5
I couldn't care less who's watch the cure came on. I only care that they do good, effective safe work and have a viable cure. Personally I feel that the companies working on this cure basically turned a deaf ear to all the campaign rhetoric and false claims. You do realize that if they came up with something that was either ineffective or had adverse affects to the public, it would probably bankrupt them in law suits. I think that outweighs any of the pressure to do this quickly and without controls.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Nov 9, 2020 10:28:11 GMT -5
I couldn't care less who's watch the cure came on. I only care that they do good, effective safe work and have a viable cure. Personally I feel that the companies working on this cure basically turned a deaf ear to all the campaign rhetoric and false claims. You do realize that if they came up with something that was either ineffective or had adverse affects to the public, it would probably bankrupt them in law suits. I think that outweighs any of the pressure to do this quickly and without controls. No it wouldn't drug trials fail all the time....
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 9, 2020 10:47:52 GMT -5
I couldn't care less who's watch the cure came on. I only care that they do good, effective safe work and have a viable cure. Personally I feel that the companies working on this cure basically turned a deaf ear to all the campaign rhetoric and false claims. You do realize that if they came up with something that was either ineffective or had adverse affects to the public, it would probably bankrupt them in law suits. I think that outweighs any of the pressure to do this quickly and without controls. No it wouldn't drug trials fail all the time.... I think he meant he if they launched it to the public and then found out it was ineffective or had adverse effects, i.e. didn’t follow proper protocol for the trials and still launched.
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Post by Barker on Nov 9, 2020 10:55:56 GMT -5
I couldn't care less who's watch the cure came on. I only care that they do good, effective safe work and have a viable cure. Personally I feel that the companies working on this cure basically turned a deaf ear to all the campaign rhetoric and false claims. You do realize that if they came up with something that was either ineffective or had adverse affects to the public, it would probably bankrupt them in law suits. I think that outweighs any of the pressure to do this quickly and without controls. No it wouldn't drug trials fail all the time.... Politics gets dragged into everything.... www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/health/covid-vaccine-pfizer.htmlDr. Jansen sought to distance the company from Operation Warp Speed and presidential politics, noting that the company — unlike the other vaccine front-runners — did not take any federal money to help pay for research and development. “We were never part of the Warp Speed,” she said. “We have never taken any money from the U.S. government, or from anyone.” She said she learned of the results from the outside panel of experts shortly after 1 p.m. on Sunday, and that the timing was not influenced by the election. “We have always said that science is driving how we conduct ourselves — no politics,” she said. Wide distribution of Pfizer’s vaccine will be a logistical challenge. Because it is made with mRNA, the doses will need to be kept at ultra cold temperatures. While Pfizer has developed a special cooler to transport the vaccine, equipped with GPS-enabled thermal sensors, it remains unclear where people will receive the shots, and what role the government will play in distribution. Adding to the challenge, people will need to return three weeks later for a second dose to complete the immunization. Back in July though, the company did take $1.95 billion advance for 100 million doses, with the US government also getting an option for another 500 million doses.
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Post by Machski on Nov 9, 2020 11:57:28 GMT -5
I love when people tell me that mask mandates are bad because of freedom and Americans can think for themselves, and then also try to tell me that Americans are being controlled by the media and can’t think for themselves. the media can influence voters no doubt. I just am skeptical at how many get influenced to switch with in 2 weeks of an election. I am sure it happens like PR's folks but it aint many and sure not enough in the right states to swing this election.
Biden has a mandate. won the popular vote and the EC what I would describe as strongly compared to other elections
What should happen is if we are going to allow actual early voting, any debates should be finished by the time voting begins.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 9, 2020 12:04:06 GMT -5
Biden has a mandate. won the popular vote and the EC what I would describe as strongly compared to other elections In terms of the EC, if nothing changes and Biden holds on to GA, he’ll finish with 306 ECs, which is 2 more than Trump got in 2016 (which Trump called a landslide).
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Nov 9, 2020 13:35:41 GMT -5
Biden has a mandate. won the popular vote and the EC what I would describe as strongly compared to other elections In terms of the EC, if nothing changes and Biden holds on to GA, he’ll finish with 306 ECs, which is 2 more than Trump got in 2016 (which Trump called a landslide). Zenny, will you eventually focus on Biden vs Trump? Or can we expect the Trump bashing to continue. Aren't you preaching being united? If yes, lets move to you supporting the new President vs bashing the old one...ok?
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Nov 9, 2020 13:36:27 GMT -5
No it wouldn't drug trials fail all the time.... I think he meant he if they launched it to the public and then found out it was ineffective or had adverse effects, i.e. didn’t follow proper protocol for the trials and still launched. That is silly and will not happen. I do not think you understand the FDA approval process.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 9, 2020 13:45:37 GMT -5
I think he meant he if they launched it to the public and then found out it was ineffective or had adverse effects, i.e. didn’t follow proper protocol for the trials and still launched. That is silly and will not happen. I do not think you understand the FDA approval process. I understand, was only trying to clarify because it didn’t sound like you guys were on the same page.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 9, 2020 13:46:38 GMT -5
In terms of the EC, if nothing changes and Biden holds on to GA, he’ll finish with 306 ECs, which is 2 more than Trump got in 2016 (which Trump called a landslide). Zenny, will you eventually focus on Biden vs Trump? Or can we expect the Trump bashing to continue. Aren't you preaching being united? If yes, lets move to you supporting the new President vs bashing the old one...ok? What? Trump is still president and shows no signs of relinquishing that title without a fight. Nothing really changes until Biden assumes office.
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Post by bob on Nov 9, 2020 15:18:44 GMT -5
I couldn't care less who's watch the cure came on. I only care that they do good, effective safe work and have a viable cure. Personally I feel that the companies working on this cure basically turned a deaf ear to all the campaign rhetoric and false claims. You do realize that if they came up with something that was either ineffective or had adverse affects to the public, it would probably bankrupt them in law suits. I think that outweighs any of the pressure to do this quickly and without controls. You can't file a a real law suit like for bad drugs. Vaccines carry a tax that is pooled to pay damages awarded in "Vaccine court" . So in effect the damages do not come from the Pharma company but from the added tax.
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Post by bob on Nov 9, 2020 15:21:10 GMT -5
Zenny, will you eventually focus on Biden vs Trump? Or can we expect the Trump bashing to continue. Aren't you preaching being united? If yes, lets move to you supporting the new President vs bashing the old one...ok? What? Trump is still president and shows no signs of relinquishing that title without a fight. Nothing really changes until Biden assumes office. For once I agree with Zenny. He might just win the court battles and the the real comedy show begins!
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Nov 9, 2020 16:17:54 GMT -5
not my point, for those that voted for Biden and support Biden...I just think they would be more talkative about Biden than Trump. Its insane that the focus is still on Trump...let him do his legal shit. Biden is already transitioning and the market is up big...who knows, maybe Old Joe will be a great President. Time to be United. Enough hate and bullshit.
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Post by ZenMaster on Nov 9, 2020 16:49:22 GMT -5
Well MB, Trump just fired his SecDef, who publicly pushed back on using the military to put down the protests during the summer, and publicly didn’t support Trump’s talk of invoking Insurrection Act. Reaching for more control of the military in the wake of a lost election is not a move we have seen much, and could be viewed as putting in someone who will support Insurrection Act for the protests that most certainly result if Trump loses all his legal maneuvering and still doesn’t want to go. Then again, that might be giving him too much credit for thinking ahead. It’s always so hard to tell with him. Could be a terribly concerning development. Or could simply be a “you can’t quit because I just fired you” move. We will all be so much better off when he is out of office, until then nothing has changed IMO. And yes, it is insane that we still need to focus on Trump, but given the insanity he has unleashed on the world since taking office it shouldn’t be a surprise that the insanity will linger until he is officially done as POTUS.
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Post by dickc49 on Nov 9, 2020 17:04:18 GMT -5
I couldn't care less who's watch the cure came on. Do you mean you do not care, I ask as the double negative in your phraseology actually states you care a whole lot.
Just sayin......
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