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Post by bob on Oct 15, 2020 12:19:11 GMT -5
That's right you don't have candidate....you just have a POV!!! (on everything) So making stuff up is ok but having a POV is somehow a bad thing. Got it. Bagged..... you are so in the Biden camp it's not funny. Otherwise why do you care so much about defending Quid Pro Joe?
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Post by ZenMaster on Oct 15, 2020 12:38:08 GMT -5
So making stuff up is ok but having a POV is somehow a bad thing. Got it. Bagged..... you are so in the Biden camp it's not funny. Otherwise why do you care so much about defending Quid Pro Joe? What? I haven’t defended Joe at all.
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Post by wheelie on Oct 15, 2020 13:02:01 GMT -5
So making stuff up is ok but having a POV is somehow a bad thing. Got it. Burisma was made up too? Right? Having a POV and not having a solution is just talking to hear your self talk. I am guilty
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Post by ZenMaster on Oct 15, 2020 13:11:39 GMT -5
Having a POV and not having a solution is just talking to hear your self talk. Couldn’t disagree more.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on Oct 15, 2020 13:27:35 GMT -5
I would love to hear Zenny solution for Covid. And I would also like to know how Zenny knows that this couldn't have been far far worse without the actions taken early on. Like when Biden called Trump a Xenophobe for restricting access to/from China and when Nancy Pelois said we should all go out and eat in China Town and Dr. F said we should continue to go out for ice cream.......wear masks, distance, isolate...all being done as best as American public can and will follow lock down orders...would have been no different w different leadership, could have been worse.
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Post by wheelie on Oct 15, 2020 14:18:10 GMT -5
I would love to hear Zenny solution for Covid. And I would also like to know how Zenny knows that this couldn't have been far far worse without the actions taken early on. Like when Biden called Trump a Xenophobe for restricting access to/from China and when Nancy Pelois said we should all go out and eat in China Town and Dr. F said we should continue to go out for ice cream.......wear masks, distance, isolate...all being done as best as American public can and will follow lock down orders...would have been no different w different leadership, could have been worse. I wonder how he would have felt about the Covid crisis if Trump wasn’t POTUS? The only thing he can do is point to Trump and say “Orangeman bad”. His only POV to date is blame Trump.
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Post by ZenMaster on Oct 15, 2020 14:48:10 GMT -5
would have been no different w different leadership, could have been worse. With different leadership things could have been worse but not better? Lol. Now look who’s being one sided.
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Post by what is hip ? on Oct 15, 2020 14:50:24 GMT -5
A few October surprises on the liberal side... Hunter, Scully, Hunter, Hunter, Joe, Big Guy, My Guy, Debate Commission, Facebook, Twitter etc, etc, etc.
AND, how on earth would a mask wearing staffer for Comala get the China Virus?
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Post by wheelie on Oct 15, 2020 14:57:19 GMT -5
would have been no different w different leadership, could have been worse. With different leadership things could have been worse but not better? Lol. Now look who’s being one sided. With Joe Biden “locked down tight” policy it “could” definitely have been worse for the American people. Maybe a few less real “Covid” deaths but also much more despair and distress to many Americans and likely equal if not more deaths from other issues like poverty and mental illness. Could Trumps approach have been improved on, sure but it’s definitely a balance. You can say it “it’s not all Trumps fault”.
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Post by wheelie on Oct 15, 2020 15:00:20 GMT -5
A few October surprises on the liberal side... Hunter, Scully, Hunter, Hunter, Joe, Big Guy, My Guy, Debate Commission, Facebook, Twitter etc, etc, etc. AND, how on earth would a mask wearing staffer for Comala get the China Virus? They can’t keep Covid out of their own campaign but we are supposed to believe they would have keep it out of the country? It’s like the bumper sticker COVID happens
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Post by ZenMaster on Oct 15, 2020 15:25:33 GMT -5
With different leadership things could have been worse but not better? Lol. Now look who’s being one sided. With Joe Biden “locked down tight” policy it “could” definitely have been worse for the American people. Maybe a few less real “Covid” deaths but also much more despair and distress to many Americans and likely equal if not more deaths from other issues like poverty and mental illness. Could Trumps approach have been improved on, sure but it’s definitely a balance. You can say it “it’s not all Trumps fault”. Don’t be so one-sided.
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Post by ZenMaster on Oct 15, 2020 15:38:17 GMT -5
There really is no viable argument that the current admin has handed Covid well. The evidence on that is very clear and no one has presented a viable argument to the contrary (bashing me doesn’t count). This week Trump is out there saying it is over and no need to worry about it while cases and deaths are rising and the real experts are warning of a surge and hospitals are bracing for it. I mean really, you can’t make this shit up. So you can speculate all day long about what another admin would have done or wouldn’t have done and how much of a difference it would have made or wouldn’t have made, but that’s all conjecture and speculation and personal opinion. What isn’t speculation is what was actually done (or not done) and the data that has resulted, and that paints a pretty clear picture of the disaster of a response that we have seen from the top down in the federal govt.
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Post by Machski on Oct 15, 2020 15:47:25 GMT -5
There really is no viable argument that the current admin has handed Covid well. The evidence on that is very clear and no one has presented a viable argument to the contrary (bashing me doesn’t count). This week Trump is out there saying it is over and no need to worry about it while cases and deaths are rising and the real experts are warning of a surge and hospitals are bracing for it. I mean really, you can’t make this shit up. So you can speculate all day long about what another admin would have done or wouldn’t have done and how much of a difference it would have made or wouldn’t have made, but that’s all conjecture and speculation and personal opinion. What isn’t speculation is what was actually done (or not done) and the data that has resulted, and that paints a pretty clear picture of the disaster of a response that we have seen from the top down in the federal govt. You are right, we cannot speculate. So lets look across the pond to see how that is going as an option that is actually occuring. London is headed back towards an imminent lockdown. Doesn't look so good there. France and Spain may join them very shortly, not so good. Did they do things differently from our WH leadership Zenny? If so, there outcomes haven't been much better and seem to be rapidly declining similar to ours. This is not speculation, it is actual facts with differing approaches.
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Post by wheelie on Oct 15, 2020 15:52:55 GMT -5
There really is no viable argument that the current admin has handed Covid well. The evidence on that is very clear and no one has presented a viable argument to the contrary (bashing me doesn’t count). BLAH BLAH BLAH What isn’t speculation is what was actually done (or not done) and the data that has resulted, and that paints a pretty clear picture of the disaster of a response that we have seen from the top down in the federal govt. totally disagree
its easy for you to sit there and say the case numbers are bad, they are, but blame the Wuhan lab if you want or the one guy who ate that one bat (if you believe that story) but no possible way for you to know it would have been any better if any other president was in the white house, you just cant present a viable argument for that either. so if all your doing is criticizing you are just as much a blow hard as DJT.
Monday Morning QBing is easy especially if the guy in charge is in the "other" party.
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Post by ZenMaster on Oct 15, 2020 16:00:23 GMT -5
There really is no viable argument that the current admin has handed Covid well. The evidence on that is very clear and no one has presented a viable argument to the contrary (bashing me doesn’t count). BLAH BLAH BLAH What isn’t speculation is what was actually done (or not done) and the data that has resulted, and that paints a pretty clear picture of the disaster of a response that we have seen from the top down in the federal govt. totally disagree
its easy for you to sit there and say the case numbers are bad, they are, but blame the Wuhan lab if you want or the one guy who ate that one bat (if you believe that story) but no possible way for you to know it would have been any better if any other president was in the white house, you just cant present a viable argument for that either. so if all your doing is criticizing you are just as much a blow hard as DJT.
Monday Morning QBing is easy especially if the guy in charge is in the "other" party.
So we agree that all we can really do is judge current leadership based on what they have done and what has happened as a result. On everything we can agree to disagree I guess.
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