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Post by MonkeyBrook on May 1, 2023 18:06:26 GMT -5
The payroll convo is pretty stale at this point, no? You can win w more, but not a guarantee and you can win spending less. Not my $, so really do not care how much or little the NYY spend...provided they put a good product on the field. So many other variables at play...injuries are the issue right now, not the product. Tampa is amazing, they lead MLB in every statistical category and the average fan could not name a single player on that team....
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Post by ZenMaster on May 1, 2023 18:39:00 GMT -5
The payroll convo is pretty stale at this point, no? You can win w more, but not a guarantee and you can win spending less. Not my $, so really do not care how much or little the NYY spend...provided they put a good product on the field. So many other variables at play...injuries are the issue right now, not the product. Tampa is amazing, they lead MLB in every statistical category and the average fan could not name a single player on that team.... I don’t disagree really on the payroll piece in terms of being stale, but it’s not exactly irrelevant either. Baseball at this level is obviously a business and business decisions and specifically decisions about player “value” obviously impact the product on the field. Teams value players differently so those differences are relevant, even when the payroll topic gets to feel stale. The Rays always seem to surprise in recent years, it’s amazing really. Clearly it wasn’t just Chaim Bloom.
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Post by wheelie on May 2, 2023 5:04:58 GMT -5
if Red Sox finish last owe you a 6 pack of 12oz bud cans if Red Sox finish anywhere but last place you owe me a bottle of Honig
Payable?
payable! Well 30 games in and at least the Sox aren’t last. That wine will taste even sweeter if these standing hold.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on May 2, 2023 6:31:33 GMT -5
Great, Bruins lose...Wheelie is back.
Also, serious question on salary cap...did you ever notice or wonder why we only chat about this when it comes to baseball? Without Googling, please tell me the top 5 NHL, NBA, teams via total salary....think about that for a while, it literally is never discussed. Granted other sports have a Cap, but which teams spend all of it...indicator of higher salary in those cases.
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Post by ZenMaster on May 2, 2023 7:01:38 GMT -5
Also, serious question on salary cap...did you ever notice or wonder why we only chat about this when it comes to baseball? Without Googling, please tell me the top 5 NHL, NBA, teams via total salary....think about that for a while, it literally is never discussed. NFL is a bit different as there is a cap. I don’t wonder about that at all. I can’t name the top 5 MLB teams for salaries either (did you know the Red Sox are not even in the top 10?). So what? Doesn’t mean it isn’t a topic of conversation elsewhere. We also don’t talk about keeping players who used PEDs out of the HOF (or PEDs in general) for the NHL and NBA and NFL. Different sports, different priorities, different points of view.
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Post by Barker on May 2, 2023 7:39:25 GMT -5
Also, serious question on salary cap...did you ever notice or wonder why we only chat about this when it comes to baseball? Without Googling, please tell me the top 5 NHL, NBA, teams via total salary....think about that for a while, it literally is never discussed. NFL is a bit different as there is a cap. I don’t wonder about that at all. I can’t name the top 5 MLB teams for salaries either (did you know the Red Sox are not even in the top 10?). So what? Doesn’t mean it isn’t a topic of conversation elsewhere. We also don’t talk about keeping players who used PEDs out of the HOF (or PEDs in general) for the NHL and NBA and NFL. Different sports, different priorities, different points of view. Salary caps and floors in all the leagues require a CPA to figure out the hard and soft limits. In other news the NBA no longer penalizes for weed use, joining the NHL and MLB (who all have some stipulations - like don't be high for a game). NFL only allows use during the off-season.
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Post by Machski on May 2, 2023 12:25:38 GMT -5
Also, serious question on salary cap...did you ever notice or wonder why we only chat about this when it comes to baseball? Without Googling, please tell me the top 5 NHL, NBA, teams via total salary....think about that for a while, it literally is never discussed. NFL is a bit different as there is a cap. I don’t wonder about that at all. I can’t name the top 5 MLB teams for salaries either (did you know the Red Sox are not even in the top 10?). So what? Doesn’t mean it isn’t a topic of conversation elsewhere. We also don’t talk about keeping players who used PEDs out of the HOF (or PEDs in general) for the NHL and NBA and NFL. Different sports, different priorities, different points of view. I could probably come close to top payroll teams in other leagues, but their construction of rosters is a bit different from MLB. For example, the NBA has shifted to players driving team construction. You know, "LeBron wants to form this super team, Kyrie demands and gets a trade, etc etc". Super team rosters will have a high payroll but it's not team management driven so much. Baseball is still very much a GM construction project. Yes, Tampa and others have taken MoneyBall concepts to new heights and show you can win with small payrolls. The flip still happens and you have big market clubs like LAD, NYM and NYY and now SDP spending like it just grows inside their parks. As MB has said and is true, injury bug is really costing NYY right now, but thanks to their spending, when it clears up so should their fortunes. But it is an interesting topic for the Sox. They are a big market based club, now batting at the league average payroll. They are trying to be more like TB, even bringing in their kid genius GM to run. But even doubling TBR' payroll, they aren't getting the same results. Finally, I do believe we discuss payroll for NFL teams as well. I think it is much more relevant in leagues that have higher player staffing #s than leagues with smaller player #s per team.
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Post by Machski on May 4, 2023 8:34:56 GMT -5
Wow, the Rays just keep rolling. At the 30 games in or so point, the Rays win percent is 80.6% and the only club with single digits in the loss column. Impressive.
These are the clu s in descending order currently at or above 600 Rays Braves Orioles Pirates Rangers Brewers
Wow
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Post by ZenMaster on May 4, 2023 10:53:22 GMT -5
Wow, the Rays just keep rolling. At the 30 games in or so point, the Rays win percent is 80.6% and the only club with single digits in the loss column. Impressive. These are the clu s in descending order currently at or above 600 Rays Braves Orioles Pirates Rangers Brewers Wow More importantly the NYY are in solo last place in the AL East.
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Post by Machski on May 4, 2023 12:27:34 GMT -5
Wow, the Rays just keep rolling. At the 30 games in or so point, the Rays win percent is 80.6% and the only club with single digits in the loss column. Impressive. These are the clu s in descending order currently at or above 600 Rays Braves Orioles Pirates Rangers Brewers Wow More importantly the NYY are in solo last place in the AL East. For now. Once their injury bugs clear up a bit, I don't expect that to last. The .600+ club is a bit surprising right now to be sure, will be interesting to see how those move as the season churns on.
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Post by MonkeyBrook on May 4, 2023 12:30:00 GMT -5
I am really worried about the standings on May 4.
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Post by Machski on May 5, 2023 8:26:58 GMT -5
I am really worried about the standings on May 4. How about on May 5th? Don't look now, but Sox into 3rd by sweeping the Jays 😛
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Post by ZenMaster on May 5, 2023 10:11:00 GMT -5
I am really worried about the standings on May 4. How about on May 5th? Don't look now, but Sox into 3rd by sweeping the Jays 😛 Nice little win streak going. In fact they might not lose again all season! 😘
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Post by Machski on May 5, 2023 19:50:43 GMT -5
How about on May 5th? Don't look now, but Sox into 3rd by sweeping the Jays 😛 Nice little win streak going. In fact they might not lose again all season! 😘 You just had to say that on a Sale night, didn't you.
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Post by Machski on Jun 8, 2023 20:02:43 GMT -5
Wow, the Sox are horrible! I don't even know where to begin, maybe the Chaim Bloom experiment. Clearly it is not working. Clearly he kept the wrong high priced player. Clearly he let our 2 best starting pitchers go (both of whom are leading their new clubs staffs this season) with the idea of using the big league club for developing pitchers. Pathetic
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